All About Pocket Knives

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:13 pm I don't understand. What i see are 4 Camillus 72 pattern knives and all were made by Camillus; i.e. all 4 are Camillus #72.
How could they be classified otherwise ?
kj

XX Case XX wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:20 pm That's easy:

If it's made by the same company, it's a "Variation".

If it's made by someone else, and the parent company owns the trademark or the rights to that design, and that item basically looks the same but with minor alterations, it's a "Clone".

Look at all the Colt 1911 clones out there.

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Mike

jerryd6818 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:14 pm We're getting into the area of Conceptual semantics here and that's waaay too deep for a subject this simple on a pocket knife forum. And before anyone gets their fur up because they took that to mean that we are a bunch of uneducated ignoramuses, that's on the other side of the planet from what I mean.

It appears the 72 has been a bone of contention for controversy since it's inception (which it's self is shrouded in mystery). Camillus called the originals a "Carpenters and Whittlers" knife. Well right away the purists jumped on that. It's not a "whittler" they cried, because it doesn't have a split back spring and both secondary blades at one end and the primary blade at the other end riding on both tapered springs. I called 'em clones because it was the first word that popped into my mind. I guess I should have called them copies. Would that have avoided all this dust and feathers?

In the interest of trying to keep it short, let me try to explain how "clone", as it applies to the Camillus 72 pattern (or should I say the "Carpenter's and Whittler's" pattern), came to be. When this fella called Jerryd (okay, when I) fell in love with the 72 (to keep it short) he (I) started to notice that Camillus wasn't the only company that made the pattern. After a little digging I discovered that to the best of my knowledge, the pattern was introduced by Camillus right after WWII, in 1946 and except for the ones they made for Sears there was nothing like it until Schrade jumped on the bandwagon with their 863 in the early 1950's. What to call these usurpers of my beloved Camillus 72 (and it turns out there are a LOT of them)? I settled on "clones". I guess I could have called them copies but that was so pedestrian. End of story. I shall continue to refer to them as clones, y'all can call them whatever you please.

jerryd6818 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:05 pm You can certainly do that. I think there are enough gray heads here that remember when "Xerox" was the generic generally accpeted name for a copy machine.

jerryd6818 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:05 pm You can certainly do that. I think there are enough gray heads here that remember when "Xerox" was the generic generally accpeted name for a copy machine.