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I’ve looked around and can’t find one that looks like this . Is this a fake ? Newer knife ? The tang is the same as some old ones I’ve seen . I’ve.spent the last few hours trying to figure this knife out. Let me know what ya know ..thx guys

Modern knife.

Thank you peanut .. why is it that I can’t find any like it ? And do you know a round about value ? Thx

Union Knife Works operated in Union NY from 1911 to 1913. Unfortunately this is not one of theirs, and the blades appear to me to be heavily sanded or brushed stainless steel. Perhaps from China or Pakistan?

Modern fat Sambar stag. Cold stamped. As Roger said, it’s a modern knife. Made closer to last week than to 1913.

Ken

To me the stag looks more like that used in USA than on knives from China or Pakistan. Maybe made by Kabar as a special release ? Schrade USA made some stag knives in 1990's with "Walden Knife Co." markings so perhaps Kabar followed suit ?
kj

I would not think that a China or Pakistan made knife would have a new grind blade on it. It is my understanding that this process is more expensive to shape the blade with a new grind, but I will say that I do not spend much time at all studying China or Pakistan knives.

I agree with Mumbleypeg ,tang is cold stamped.

I was just doing research on mine and here is a nice photo of the original stamps.

Sorry to say but I don’t think it’s an original Union knife either , doesn’t look like Union bone , stamp looks cold struck and the nail nick looks modern , spun center pins ?

Mike

In addition to what Mike said, the tangs have been “shaved” to remove the original stamps and apply the cold stamps.

Ken

Whitney! The 2 comments immediately following your post may have been directed at the original post and knife by "Donotbend", and not your knife. Perhaps request clarification from the posters?

My apologies to all…..Obviously, this stupid Covid .thing has gotten me all confused. Looking at the postings, you are more than likely right Marco.

Don't sweat it my friend, you're not at 100%! Maybe ScoutKnives or Mumbleypeg will chime in and clarify which knife they were referring to. I like the last knife you posted too, even though you deleted the text!

Madmarco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:15 am Don't sweat it my friend, you're not at 100%! Maybe ScoutKnives or Mumbleypeg will chime in and clarify which knife they were referring to. I like the last knife you posted too, even though you deleted the text!

That’s the same knife. I just took a complete photo of the blades so you could see the finger nick’s and the scales.

Whitneyrifle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:27 pm I was just doing research on mine and here is a nice photo of the original stamps.

Great looking knife my friend!
So this brand was KA-BAR before they became known as KA-BAR? Is that correct? So does that date this knife 1911-1913? If so that's very cool! Great find!

TPK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:44 am

Whitneyrifle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:27 pm I was just doing research on mine and here is a nice photo of the original stamps.

Great looking knife my friend!
So this brand was KA-BAR before they became known as KA-BAR? Is that correct? So does that date this knife 1911-1913? If so that's very cool! Great find!

No, this is not the same company, but I can see the confusion. Union Knife works was (if I remember correctly) a venture done by Platts.
Union Cutlery Company was descended from Union Razor Co. Ka-bar was just one of Union Cut CO’s product lines until the company changed its name to “Ka-bar”, I believe in 1952. Gunsil could give you the exact year of the change over, he is the guru.

Whitneyrifle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:37 am

TPK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:44 am

Whitneyrifle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:27 pm I was just doing research on mine and here is a nice photo of the original stamps.

Great looking knife my friend!
So this brand was KA-BAR before they became known as KA-BAR? Is that correct? So does that date this knife 1911-1913? If so that's very cool! Great find!

No, this is not the same company, but I can see the confusion. Union Knife works was (if I remember correctly) a venture done by Platts.
Union Cutlery Company was descended from Union Razor Co. Ka-bar was just one of Union Cut CO’s product lines until the company changed its name to “Ka-bar”, I believe in 1952. Gunsil could give you the exact year of the change over, he is the guru.

Oh ok, glad I asked, thanks for clearing that up for me. Appreciate it!
Have a great weekend!

Madmarco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:15 am Don't sweat it my friend, you're not at 100%! Maybe ScoutKnives or Mumbleypeg will chime in and clarify which knife they were referring to. I like the last knife you posted too, even though you deleted the text!

To clarify, my post was with regard to the second knife posted in this thread. With all due respect to the gentleman you obtained it from, the preponderance of evidence is that the knife does not date to 1911-13. As pointed out it appears to have spun pins, which did not come about until several years later. The stamp is not crisp and sharp as it should be on a knife of that vintage (looks mushy). Last but not least the tangs show evidence of having been “shaved”. Rather than trying to re-do a tutorial on tell-tale signs of identifying a shaved tang, here’s a link to a tutorial I recently did on that subject. https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kn ... d#p1030041. The subject knife appears to exhibit the same upswept curve of the shoulder grind line as it nears the blade spine.

Ken

Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:22 pm

Madmarco wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:15 am Don't sweat it my friend, you're not at 100%! Maybe ScoutKnives or Mumbleypeg will chime in and clarify which knife they were referring to. I like the last knife you posted too, even though you deleted the text!

To clarify, my post was with regard to the second knife posted in this thread. With all due respect to the gentleman you obtained it from, the preponderance of evidence is that the knife does not date to 1911-13. As pointed out it appears to have spun pins, which did not come about until several years later. The stamp is not crisp and sharp as it should be on a knife of that vintage (looks mushy). Last but not least the tangs show evidence of having been “shaved”. Rather than trying to re-do a tutorial on tell-tale signs of identifying a shaved tang, here’s a link to a tutorial I recently did on that subject. https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kn ... d#p1030041. The subject knife appears to exhibit the same upswept curve of the shoulder grind line as it nears the blade spine.

Ken

I do appreciate and respect your honest and candid opinion. I will say, that I respectfully disagree, but I wish to table that matter and ask a question to educate myself and possibly others.
Still being a neophyte in this hobby (I have collected civil war firearms for decades), I want to post two pictures and ask if you could clarify for me somethings.
First, there is a picture of the first knife and what I believe to be a “mushy” spot. I have circled it in blue, am I correct? I want to know for my own education. I provided a close up of the one I have and I can not see a “mushy” area, could you show me where? Again, for my own education.
Second question is, and I ask, not knowing, how do you know if a pin is spun if the shaft/shank is inside the scale? Again, I ask to learn. I had seen your previous posting, but as I said, I am trying to learn.
Thirdly, how can you tell if the tang is “shaved”, especially on an older knife, such as the one I have shown? I know it has had heavy usage, could it be from wear and tear/sharpening, or is there something more distinctive?
I know this post sounds defensive and adversarial, but it is not. It is about learning and educating.
I do appreciate any further input you can provide.

My comment was also towards the newly posted knife .
It has way to many red flags to think it was made in the teens .

ScoutKnives wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:31 pm My comment was also towards the newly posted knife .
It has way to many red flags to think it was made in the teens .

I thank you for your opinion, I again respectfully disagree, but table the knife issue.
I posted questions above that I hope some one may answer. I seek knowledge, not to create controversy.
May, I ask, what are the red flags? With an explanation as such?

ScoutKnives wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:31 pm My comment was also towards the newly posted knife .
It has way to many red flags to think it was made in the teens .

To me the stockman looks like a piece of KUTlery that was made by a MASTER.

No problem , I don’t consider myself as an expert but I have handled a lot of vintage knives in the last 30+ years in this hobby .
The long pull nail nick looks cold struck , the tang stamp looks cold struck , the bone definitely doesn’t look period , the center pin is spun which wouldn’t be from that era .

knifeaholic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:52 pm

ScoutKnives wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:31 pm My comment was also towards the newly posted knife .
It has way to many red flags to think it was made in the teens .

To me the stockman looks like a piece of KUTlery that was made by a MASTER.

That is a fair assessment, I can see the resemblance. I still question if my neighbor was being genuine. He has no reason to be dishonest. He told me he remember his grandfather having the knife. He said that his grandfather worked for both Platts and Union Knife works. Obviously, this is oral history, but the question then leads to how/why? We’re counterfeits done that long ago?
I would still like answers to the questions I posted for the sake of increasing knowledge. I still will keep and treasure the knife. Just finding resolution.