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Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:34 am
by Mumbleypeg
Those are great examples for anyone who,wants to know what a “cold stamp” looks like. Note how the metal is pushed out around the sides of the letters, especially on the Crown Cutlery and Russell.
Ken
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:26 pm
by bighomer
Here's 5 more.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:27 pm
by bighomer
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:07 pm
by TPK
I'd never know.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:35 pm
by 1967redrider
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:44 pm
by jerryd6818
That's why I don't mess with "old" knives or tang stamps. I am clueless on the subject.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:45 pm
by Ivoryman
bighomer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:27 pm
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Great line up, fakes or not, they still sure are pretty.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:02 pm
by 1967redrider
Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:45 pm
bighomer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:27 pm
20201002_091553.jpg
Great line up, fakes or not, they still sure are pretty.
And I bet they cut well. The problem is, did some pay antique Cattaraugus, Continental and Russell prices for them thinking they were legit?
That Crown stamp is cold stamped too, but elusive . . . I wonder why it was chosen???
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
by peanut740
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:05 pm
by 1967redrider
peanut740 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
Yeah, really!
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:10 pm
by peanut740
1967redrider wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:05 pm
peanut740 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
Yeah, really!
I've seen many Kutmaster stamps that look like they are cold stamped.This knife looks jazzed up though.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:46 am
by Mumbleypeg
peanut740 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
Same thought I had.
Ken
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:27 am
by kootenay joe
peanut740 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
I think some of these 'knife re-assemblers' (fake makers) are compulsive. If they have a parts lying around that can be assembled into a knife, they go ahead and build the knife, not thinking of how much money it might bring in, just the satisfaction of turning parts into a functioning knife.
kj
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:14 pm
by btrwtr
peanut740 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:03 pm
Why would anyone counterfeit a Kutmaster?
Just slap a COCA-COLA or similar shield on them and they become a double collectible to the unknowing. Does anyone know where these new factroy counterfeits that Bighomer shows came from? They have been around for years and plenty of them.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:57 pm
by bighomer
They supposedly came out of Ky. The kutmaster has the billiken shoe badge and bone handles. I think btrwtr and Roland hit the nail on the head about it. You notice that for the most part they all of look alike. The story I got was this person made these knives and went to shows and sold them for 40 bucks apiece , making no assertion as to legitimacy. I got them from a flea mkt. vender buddy for 20 bucks apiece along with that story.
The only one that's been sharpen is the Belknap hdw.
and it as good a pocket knife as I own, these are all nice pocket knives with beautiful bone handles imho. Ymmv.
ps they weren't made recently they got years on them.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:49 pm
by btrwtr
bighomer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:57 pm
They supposedly came out of Ky. The kutmaster has the billiken shoe badge and bone handles. I think btrwtr and Roland hit the nail on the head about it. You notice that for the most part they all of look alike. The story I got was this person made these knives and went to shows and sold them for 40 bucks apiece , making no assertion as to legitimacy. I got them from a flea mkt. vender buddy for 20 bucks apiece along with that story.
The only one that's been sharpen is the Belknap hdw.
and it as good a pocket knife as I own, these are all nice pocket knives with beautiful bone handles imho. Ymmv.
ps they weren't made recently they got years on them.
I do remember these knives being sold at shows in Texas at $40 each your choice. I never bought any because I they weren't legitimate but at $40 they sold very well. The vendor had a table full of them. I always thought there was some factory connection given the number and quality of them.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:30 pm
by bighomer
Wayne, could be the same guy and there could be a factory conection, I just retold the tale the way I remember it being told to me. The knives are far from perfect, the big thing being the shields not being inlaid very deep they stick out above the handles and some minute gaps here and there. Overall they are pretty knice. The Belknap and kutmaster are stamped on just one blade the others on all three blades.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:32 pm
by Xyphos
Good information, and gives me pause about vintage slipjoints.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:22 pm
by kootenay joe
I have 3 of these fakes: "Maher & Grosh", "Miller Bros", & "Henkle & Joyce". All came from ebay for very little money. I knew they were fakes. I wanted them for 'reference' use. I was very surprised to discover these are very well made, 100% useable knives. I'd say on par with the Queen made "Black Box Winchesters".
kj
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:41 am
by celluloidheros
I too saw mine on ebay, I have a few more, I buy up as many as possible so others don't buy them as legit. I would have to take a closer look but I think the kutmaster blade may be real. Not sure about the rest of the knife. I think its good to show people examples of good and bad knives. Its good for knife collecting. Knowledge is power. Don Crandall
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:45 am
by TripleF
TPK wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:07 pm
I'd never know.
ditto!!!
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:02 pm
by btrwtr
celluloidheros wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:41 am
I too saw mine on ebay, I have a few more, I buy up as many as possible so others don't buy them as legit. I would have to take a closer look but I think the kutmaster blade may be real. Not sure about the rest of the knife. I think its good to show people examples of good and bad knives. Its good for knife collecting. Knowledge is power. Don Crandall
I agree about the Kutmaster blade and I have always thought that these fake knives were connected to Kutmaster in some way. The overall look, quality and quantity of them tells me there is some factory connection.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:41 pm
by geocash
I'm becoming suspicious of every single knife I have. I don't believe I have even one fake, but they may all be.
Re: Here are 4 counterfeits made by a prolific and talented counterfeiter
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:13 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
celluloidheros wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:41 am
I too saw mine on ebay, I have a few more, I buy up as many as possible so others don't buy them as legit. I would have to take a closer look but I think the kutmaster blade may be real. Not sure about the rest of the knife. I think its good to show people examples of good and bad knives. Its good for knife collecting. Knowledge is power. Don Crandall
By buying up as many fakes as possible, aren't you financing their operation, and thus assuring that there will always be more made?
That Crown stamp is cold stamped too, but elusive . . . I wonder why it was chosen???