All About Pocket Knives

I'm sure most of you have now seen the news that a hack was discovered at the US Treasury & Commerce Dept's email accounts. The latest analysis has traced this to a very sophisticated attack on a very well known (well, well known in the corporate IT world) and widely used set of network monitoring & management tools sold by a company named SolarWinds. https://www.solarwinds.com/ These tools are used by IT departments at companies to monitor the health of the company's network, servers & storage, and to assist in managing the thousands of different pieces of technology that comprise a large corporate IT infrastructure. SolarWinds is used by A LOT of companies, and, as we now know, also used extensively in the US government networks. It is a darn good set of tools. The only reason I don't use it at my company is because we can't afford it. A couple of years ago my network manager was pleading with me to buy him these tools, and we went out and got a quote on just a small subset of the available tools - but I just couldn't fit it into our budget. I guess it is a good thing we're so cheap!

SolarWinds says it has over 300,000 customers including:

-more than 425 of the U.S. Fortune 500
-all ten of the top ten US telecommunications companies
-all five branches of the U.S. military
-all five of the top five U.S. accounting firms
-the Pentagon
-the State Department
-the National Security Agency
-the Department of Justice
-The White House

What is really scary about this hack was the method they used. What the bad guys (apparently a Russian hacker group) did was manage to infiltrate the software engineering group at SolarWinds that is responsible for their product updates. They were able to insert malicious code directly into a SolarWinds product update. So, anyone running SolarWinds products would get the malicious code as soon as they updated to the latest release. Once the update was installed, it created a backdoor into the customer's network that gave the hacker's the keys to the kingdom. The SolarWinds tools are installed EVERYWHERE on your network - the entire purpose of the tools is to let you see everywhere in your network. They had access to the very core of the network, where only the top & most trusted network & server administrators are allowed to work.

This is a developing story and they don't yet know the extent of the compromise. Did they only penetrate the US Treasury Dept email, or was it other servers there? Was it other US gov't agencies? Was it also corporations? This could be very, very big. I think the only thing we could have going for us is that some of the most important parts of the US Treasury & Commerce Depts, like the IRS & Social Security Administration, still run old mainframes that might not be as hackable as newer systems. It might be a case where being obsolete helps...

Best source I know for the real scoop: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/u-s ... ompromise/

If the older technology was more secure, why didn't this transfer into the new system? Our IT people, both City and State, like to constantly modify this and that, usually resulting in down time because it blows up. Case in point, it happened this morning with our State systems. Someone changed something over the weekend and it caused server issues. Do you have to be a nervous, fidget, compulsive personality in order to make it in the IT field? Wish I knew the answer to that question. It's almost like the mantra is, if it's working we can break it!

1967redrider wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:50 am If the older technology was more secure, why didn't this transfer into the new system? Our IT people, both City and State, like to constantly modify this and that, usually resulting in down time because it blows up. Case in point, it happened this morning with our State systems. Someone changed something over the weekend and it caused server issues. Do you have to be a nervous, fidget, compulsive personality in order to make it in the IT field? Wish I knew the answer to that question. It's almost like the mantra is, if it's working we can break it!

It's apples & oranges - when I say "older" - what I am really saying is that they are not based on the same technology as modern computers. The hacks that are designed to work on modern computers running Microsoft Windows or a modern version of unix simply won't run on one of the older mainframes. It's not because the older mainframes are more secure - it is simply that no one writes hacks for those old beasts anymore. There are a million reasons why the new computers are better - just about anywhere you look, the newer will be better (faster processing, more storage, faster connections, lower power, cheaper to operate, etc, etc). I guarantee you that if those old mainframes were as popular today as Windows computers, they WOULD be hacked, and hacked hard!

As for why things need to keep changing...

There is an old saying: If you never change anything, then nothing needs to change.

If you were to take your current computer and completely disconnect it from the rest of the world, you could run it until the electronic & mechanical components finally failed due to age. You would never need to do anything to it. Of course, you would also not be able to do anything more with it than what you can do today. The problem is that there are many, many things that create change that you cannot control. New hacks are created, new hardware is produced, new users come up with new things they want to do with the hardware & software. As soon as you start wanting to respond to these outside changes, then *you* need to change.

The only thing that stays the same is the need for change...

The first reports I heard of this said it was Chinese hackers, probably government sponsored. Then the story quickly changed to Russians. I’m wondering if there was some new evidence linking the Russians, or if the fake news media changed it to fit their narrative. We’ve been lied to by big media so much and so often, either by commission or omission, I don’t believe anything they say or print.

Ken

I get my information from the cybersecurity experts that know the people actually doing the analysis. Brian Krebs (the link I provided above) is one of the best there is. I completely ignore the rest of the media.

The first reports I heard of this said it was the "Chinese Rough Rider Knives" responsibility, from the flag wavers on AAPK.
Dan

Old Folder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:53 am The first reports I heard of this said it was the "Chinese Rough Rider Knives" responsibility, from the flag wavers on AAPK.
Dan

Well done. A classic example of fake news to fit a narrative.

Ken

Very disturbing occurrence regardless of where it originated (and a fitting way to end 2020!)

Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:31 am

Old Folder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:53 am The first reports I heard of this said it was the "Chinese Rough Rider Knives" responsibility, from the flag wavers on AAPK.
Dan

Well done. A classic example of fake news to fit a narrative.

Ken

Fake News is not new.
Fake news has a long history in America. Benjamin Franklin intentionally published stories alleging that the British paid Native Americans to scalp men, women and children in the rebellious colonies. During the contentious election of 1800, Federalist newspapers tried to keep people from voting for Thomas Jefferson by running fake stories of his death.

Dan

Old Folder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:44 am

Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:31 am

Old Folder wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:53 am The first reports I heard of this said it was the "Chinese Rough Rider Knives" responsibility, from the flag wavers on AAPK.
Dan

Well done. A classic example of fake news to fit a narrative.

Ken

Fake News is not new.

Dan

Unfortunately neither is election fraud.

Ken

I agree Ken.
One would think that in the 21st century we would have a fail safe & honest way to vote.

Dan

More details emerging on the SolarWinds hack:
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/sol ... customers/
https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-res ... kdoor.html

There will be much more still to come over many months of analysis.

This is one of the most sophisticated hacks I have ever seen. The knowledge, skill & planning required to pull this off is Mission Impossible level stuff.

Current estimates say ~18,000 corporate & gov't customers could be affected. They don't know yet how many were actually infiltrated. One of the more interesting parts was this section of the post:

Alan Paller, director of research for the SANS Institute, a security education and training company based in Maryland, said the attackers likely chose to prioritize their targets based on some calculation of risk versus reward.

Paller said the bad guys probably sought to balance the perceived strategic value of compromising each target with the relative likelihood that exploiting them might result in the entire operation being found out and dismantled.

Think about that level of pre-planning: "We could go after the NSA, but if we do that, we'll probably get caught. So, let's go after these other guys because they probably won't have the means to catch us and we'll be able to operate the hack longer."

Total evil, but also genius. Can you imagine how much more advanced the human species could be if we didn't waste all this brainpower doing evil??

Well my phone & my computer wanted me to to do an update in nthe last 24 hrs....makes sense

This specific hack would not affect a PC or phone unless you were running the Solarwinds Orion software. And you would only be doing that if you were a network engineer or admin.

I fear that if nothing is done to make me and a few million other people believe in the Election Process that we will never ever have a fair election again.

Just Plain Dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:22 am I fear that if nothing is done to make me and a few million other people believe in the Election Process that we will never ever have a fair election again.

What, exactly, would you want to see happen? What would have to happen for you to change your current opinion?

Is this the same Solarwinds that some people are saying the Dominion voting machines were using?

Beavertail wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:43 pm Is this the same Solarwinds that some people are saying the Dominion voting machines were using?

Dominion has made a public statement saying that they have never used the versions of Solarwinds Orion software that was affected by this hack.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/ready-dom ... n-software

They may have used other Solarwinds software that was not part of this hack.

Which is all beside the point that no voting machines should ever have been connected to the internet. But they were.

Ken

I say throw out the current Election and do it over with PICTURE ID ONLY!
Or see Pelosi Schumer and Harris all thrown in Jail.

Just Plain Dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:36 pm I say throw out the current Election and do it over with PICTURE ID ONLY!
Or see Pelosi Schumer and Harris all thrown in Jail.

You forgot the Biden’s - the whole family.

Ken

Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:06 pm

Just Plain Dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:36 pm I say throw out the current Election and do it over with PICTURE ID ONLY!
Or see Pelosi Schumer and Harris all thrown in Jail.

You forgot the Biden’s - the whole family.

Ken

John

I can't wait for all the outrage from all the sovereign citizens over the requirement to have a government issued picture ID in order to vote. "The gov't is trying to track me!", "I won't carry a gov't issued card that has embedded electronics!" and "The gov't issued card emits microwaves to make people they don't like sterile and give them cancer!"

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:59 am I can't wait for all the outrage from all the sovereign citizens over the requirement to have a government issued picture ID in order to vote. "The gov't is trying to track me!", "I won't carry a gov't issued card that has embedded electronics!" and "The gov't issued card emits microwaves to make people they don't like sterile and give them cancer!"

You should get out of Commiefornia more and visit places like the existing 34 free states which already require government photo I.D. to vote.

Ken

Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:05 am

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:59 am I can't wait for all the outrage from all the sovereign citizens over the requirement to have a government issued picture ID in order to vote. "The gov't is trying to track me!", "I won't carry a gov't issued card that has embedded electronics!" and "The gov't issued card emits microwaves to make people they don't like sterile and give them cancer!"

You should get out of Commiefornia more and visit places like the existing 34 free states which already require government photo I.D. to vote.

Ken