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Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:24 pm
by cbnutt
The Queen made ones , how are they in general , strong snap , sharpen easy ., etc ? Thanks , ::tu::

Re: Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:40 pm
by cody6268
I recently picked up a relatively cheap ($30) well-used, but not abused 2001-dated #5304, which is the big 4 5/8 version, which was also Queen made. The steel sharpens as expected for 1095, but uses thicker stock than some other Stockmen, so it will take a bit longer. I goofed up, and accidentally blunted the edge by using too shallow of a freehand angle, so I'll have to start over. Quality-wise, it's perfect. Probably one of the better knives I own. Snap is pretty hard, but the blades aren't too hard to open.

I've made a focus that if I buy Moore Maker, I need to confirm first that it's a Camillus, Utica, or Queen-made knife. The one Bear-made one (a 3 5/8" lockback) is pretty crude. Utica are surprisingly better than their regular fare. Haven't tried a Camillus yet. I got outbid on a really beat-up Moore Maker version of the OHO Cuda Quick Action. I was ready to pay $75 for it, but it went closer to $100. At present, I have a 2015 Queen (which was a factory leftover)--POS, a Moore Maker (rough, but usable), a 2013 Utica double lockback (great), and a 2001 Queen Stockman (flawless).

Re: Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:33 pm
by Mumbleypeg
cody6268 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:40 pm I recently picked up a relatively cheap ($30) well-used, but not abused 2001-dated #5304, which is the big 4 5/8 version, which was also Queen made. The steel sharpens as expected for 1095, but uses thicker stock than some other Stockmen, so it will take a bit longer. I goofed up, and accidentally blunted the edge by using too shallow of a freehand angle, so I'll have to start over. Quality-wise, it's perfect. Probably one of the better knives I own. Snap is pretty hard, but the blades aren't too hard to open.

I've made a focus that if I buy Moore Maker, I need to confirm first that it's a Camillus, Utica, or Queen-made knife. The one Bear-made one (a 3 5/8" lockback) is pretty crude. Utica are surprisingly better than their regular fare. Haven't tried a Camillus yet. I got outbid on a really beat-up Moore Maker version of the OHO Cuda Quick Action. I was ready to pay $75 for it, but it went closer to $100. At present, I have a 2015 Queen (which was a factory leftover)--POS, a Moore Maker (rough, but usable), a 2013 Utica double lockback (great), and a 2001 Queen Stockman (flawless).
Some of the newer Moore Makers (starting in 2019 I think) are made by Case. They have a “C” following the pattern number. There a recent thread about it here somewhere,

Ken

Re: Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:01 am
by Modern Slip Joints
cbnut,

I have not used my Moore Makers so I can only write my other 1095 carbon steel Queens edge hold as well as can be expected for the steel and are easy to sharpen. My Moore Makers are pretty well made but my sample size is too small to generalize from and I did reject one that the eBay seller took back without complaining. In general be careful buying Queen made knives. During their final year or few years Queen sold some knives with their own brands on them that should have been rejects. Then their bankruptcy sale included bins of knives that had been rejected, unfinished knives and lots of parts. Moore Maker knives and parts were mixed in the bankruptcy sale. That stuff is being sold on, you guessed it, evil bay. Some sellers include the straight back ground story but many do not. Despite that, buying Moore Maker knives I've tried to limit my purchases to recognizable Queen patterns. Most Queen made knives are very good.
cody6268 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:40 pm I recently picked up a relatively cheap ($30) well-used, but not abused 2001-dated #5304, which is the big 4 5/8 version, which was also Queen made. The steel sharpens as expected for 1095, but uses thicker stock than some other Stockmen, so it will take a bit longer. I goofed up, and accidentally blunted the edge by using too shallow of a freehand angle, so I'll have to start over. Quality-wise, it's perfect. Probably one of the better knives I own. Snap is pretty hard, but the blades aren't too hard to open.

I've made a focus that if I buy Moore Maker, I need to confirm first that it's a Camillus, Utica, or Queen-made knife. The one Bear-made one (a 3 5/8" lockback) is pretty crude. Utica are surprisingly better than their regular fare. Haven't tried a Camillus yet. I got outbid on a really beat-up Moore Maker version of the OHO Cuda Quick Action. I was ready to pay $75 for it, but it went closer to $100. At present, I have a 2015 Queen (which was a factory leftover)--POS, a Moore Maker (rough, but usable), a 2013 Utica double lockback (great), and a 2001 Queen Stockman (flawless).
cody6268,

I like large stockmans and I like Queen so I'd like to clarify this. Do you really have a 4 5/8" Queen made stockman? The largest Queen made stockmans I'm aware of are 4 3/8" closed, have rounded ends and a serpentine shape. I have one branded Schatt & Morgan and others that were part of the Case Classic line. Please tell my about any 4 5/8" Queen stockmans or tell me I mis-interpreted what you wrote.

Re: Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:06 pm
by cody6268
Modern Slip Joints wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:01 am cbnut,

I have not used my Moore Makers so I can only write my other 1095 carbon steel Queens edge hold as well as can be expected for the steel and are easy to sharpen. My Moore Makers are pretty well made but my sample size is too small to generalize from and I did reject one that the eBay seller took back without complaining. In general be careful buying Queen made knives. During their final year or few years Queen sold some knives with their own brands on them that should have been rejects. Then their bankruptcy sale included bins of knives that had been rejected, unfinished knives and lots of parts. Moore Maker knives and parts were mixed in the bankruptcy sale. That stuff is being sold on, you guessed it, evil bay. Some sellers include the straight back ground story but many do not. Despite that, buying Moore Maker knives I've tried to limit my purchases to recognizable Queen patterns. Most Queen made knives are very good.
cody6268 wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:40 pm I recently picked up a relatively cheap ($30) well-used, but not abused 2001-dated #5304, which is the big 4 5/8 version, which was also Queen made. The steel sharpens as expected for 1095, but uses thicker stock than some other Stockmen, so it will take a bit longer. I goofed up, and accidentally blunted the edge by using too shallow of a freehand angle, so I'll have to start over. Quality-wise, it's perfect. Probably one of the better knives I own. Snap is pretty hard, but the blades aren't too hard to open.

I've made a focus that if I buy Moore Maker, I need to confirm first that it's a Camillus, Utica, or Queen-made knife. The one Bear-made one (a 3 5/8" lockback) is pretty crude. Utica are surprisingly better than their regular fare. Haven't tried a Camillus yet. I got outbid on a really beat-up Moore Maker version of the OHO Cuda Quick Action. I was ready to pay $75 for it, but it went closer to $100. At present, I have a 2015 Queen (which was a factory leftover)--POS, a Moore Maker (rough, but usable), a 2013 Utica double lockback (great), and a 2001 Queen Stockman (flawless).
cody6268,

I like large stockmans and I like Queen so I'd like to clarify this. Do you really have a 4 5/8" Queen made stockman? The largest Queen made stockmans I'm aware of are 4 3/8" closed, have rounded ends and a serpentine shape. I have one branded Schatt & Morgan and others that were part of the Queen Classic line. Please tell my about any 4 5/8" Queen stockmans or tell me I mis-interpreted what you wrote.

Just caught my own typo. It is 4 3/8, not 4 5/8.

Re: Anyone have a Moore Maker 5300 stockman ?

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:29 pm
by Mumbleypeg
Moore Maker terminated the contract with Queen several years before Queen’s bankruptcy. So if you see a Queen-made Moore Maker for sale now on the Moore Maker site, it is old stock. In fact you’ll find some listings that say “last remaining” or similar.

I know nothing of the particulars but have seen it speculated that Queen’s inconsistent quality led to the decision. I know that Moore Maker rejected many for cosmetic defects. At one time there was an eBay seller selling the rejects who was up front in his listings, clearly stating they were cosmetic rejects and pointing out the defects plainly in the listings. I also know that for many patterns, Moore Maker owns the tooling. So it’s possible you may see the same pattern once made by Queen now being made by someone else.

Ken