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L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:19 am
by raincrowe
I was in Northern Ohio over the weekend; and I have a knife from that area.....A two-bladed; four inch closed beautful green bone handles
Both blades are stamped but the larger one is not very legible stamp... (L.L.H. Co. Cleveland)
Goins book pg. 168 says that ... Lockwood Luetkemeyer Henry Co.was located in Cleveland...in 1911 they bought the McIntosh Hardware Company
I couldn't find but very little information on this knife Just wondering if another knife company like say Case or some other cutlery was contracted
to make these knives
Anyting would be helpful??
Thanks in Advance:
Raincrowe
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:48 am
by PA Knives
Now that's a great find. Congratulations
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 12:00 pm
by Gunsil
Great knife! I'd call that pickbone rather than greenbone.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:19 pm
by 1967redrider
Awesome knife, congratulations! Did Case use match-striker pulls?
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:30 pm
by doglegg
raincrowe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:19 am
I was in Northern Ohio over the weekend; and I have a knife from that area.....A two-bladed; four inch closed beautful green bone handles
Both blades are stamped but the larger one is not very legible stamp... (L.L.H. Co. Cleveland)
Goins book pg. 168 says that ... Lockwood Luetkemeyer Henry Co.was located in Cleveland...in 1911 they bought the McIntosh Hardware Company
I couldn't find but very little information on this knife Just wondering if another knife company like say Case or some other cutlery was contracted
to make these knives
Anyting would be helpful??
Thanks in Advance:
Raincrowe
An awesome find!
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:12 pm
by RobesonsRme.com
Great knife.
Roger Cunningham is a Toenail guy.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:39 pm
by FRJ
A real gem!
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:23 pm
by New_Windsor_NY
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:48 pm
by peanut740
Made by Utica.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:47 pm
by raincrowe
I would to thank everyone for the good info. and kind remarks!
It is good to learn that Utica Cutlery made the knife...they were established in...1910
I was told years ago when I purchased the knife that was made in 1911
One thing I learned the difference between a sunfish vs elephant patterns
Elephant toenail size is equal...Sunfish one side is larger than the other (truth or fiction)?
Raincrowe:
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:46 am
by FRJ
raincrowe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:47 pm
One thing I learned the difference between a sunfish vs elephant patterns
Elephant toenail size is equal...Sunfish one side is larger than the other (truth or fiction)?
Raincrowe:
I've never heard of one side being a different size than the other, but I'm a small time player.
My understanding is that Elephant Toe and Sunfish are one and the same.
If I had my druthers we would all call it a rope knife.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:07 am
by 1967redrider
I would think one side larger than the other would be a sleeveboard?
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:50 am
by FRJ
So we're talking about large and small bolsters.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:03 pm
by raincrowe
I've always thought the sunfish and the elephant toenail were same knife
Another older knife trader was telling that the toenail has equal end bolsters
The sunfish has a slightly smaller bolster on one end
I don't know if that's true; and that's why I asked the true or false question??
I assumed that the knife was called Elephant Toenail by the earlier knife traders
and the later ones called the knife a Sunfish
What do you think??
Raincrowe
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:08 pm
by 1967redrider
Case called their newer releases Snowshoes, not sure if they did way back when.
https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... condition-
Here's one, for example.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:25 pm
by peanut740
Sunfish and Elephant toes are the same.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:50 pm
by raincrowe
Thank you!!
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 7:19 pm
by FRJ
Top to bottom:
Sunfish
Elephant toe
Rope knife
And the Peanut, which is always right.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 7:39 pm
by ea42
peanut740 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:48 pm
Made by Utica.
Roger excellent call!!!
I knew I'd seen a matchstrike toenail somewhere but I'll be darned if i could remember who made it.
Eric
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:44 pm
by peanut740
ea42 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 7:39 pm
peanut740 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:48 pm
Made by Utica.
Roger excellent call!!!
I knew I'd seen a matchstrike toenail somewhere but I'll be darned if i could remember who made it.
Eric
3 make matchstrike toes,Utica ,Phoenix and Krusius Brothers. Phoenix is longer and finer serrations. Utica and KB are very similar, but KB's are usually stamped on the right of center of the tang.
Re: L.L.H. Co Cleveland Elephant Toenail knife (1898-1911)
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 11:22 pm
by Miller Bro's
raincrowe wrote: ↑Tue Jul 08, 2025 5:19 am
I was in Northern Ohio over the weekend; and I have a knife from that area.....A two-bladed; four inch closed beautful green bone handles
Both blades are stamped but the larger one is not very legible stamp... (L.L.H. Co. Cleveland)
Goins book pg. 168 says that ... Lockwood Luetkemeyer Henry Co.was located in Cleveland...in 1911 they bought the McIntosh Hardware Company
I couldn't find but very little information on this knife Just wondering if another knife company like say Case or some other cutlery was contracted
to make these knives
Anyting would be helpful??
Thanks in Advance:
Raincrowe
Nice knife
Post it here too
https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kn ... &start=125