Old Keen Kutter Knives

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by FRJ » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:43 pm

Thank you, Dan. ::tu::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:20 am

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This cattle knife showed up a few days ago as the mystery component in a bundle. The seller couldn't identify it for good reason. Even though it's in decent shape the tangs are just all pitted to hell. After a little clean up and with good lighting the Keen Kutter logos are visible but I can't tell if it has ears (I think it doesn't) and I can't tell whether it's got 'Simmons' on it. The pattern number is probably K7387?-3/4 and it's 3-5/8" closed without any brass - liners, pins - all of it is NS. It doesn't look Schrade to me and I don't think it's a Camillus. I'm wondering if it could be a Winchester?
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:19 pm

Nice old knife, Jason. It could also be made by Walden. Is there any trace of a stamped pattern number on the back of the main blade?
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:33 pm

danno50 wrote:Nice old knife, Jason. It could also be made by Walden. Is there any trace of a stamped pattern number on the back of the main blade?
Thanks Dan. It's tough to see but definitely there. K7387?-3/4. The last digit is unreadable and that 8 is questionable too. Could also be a 6 or a 3 or on a stretch maybe even a 5. The closest patterns are on page 201 (Sellens) but nothing exact.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:13 pm

A stamped pattern number, preceded by K, is an indication of Camillus manufacture. In my opinion, with the stamped pattern number, it is not Walden made. There are distinct differences in the spey blade shape between Camillus and Winchester made knives. However, the spey on yours is down considerably and I can't say. There is another member, msteele6, with a lot better feel for the differences between Camillus and Winchester Keen Kutters. Hopefully he comes by and offers his opinion.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:45 pm

Here's a tighter shot on the spey. I recall reading about the 'K' pointing to Camillus but I don't remember if it's an exclusive marking. What made me think it wasn't Camillus were the punch and the nail nick on the spear. Full disclosure - I'm likely to be wrong, lol. Thanks for looking.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:18 pm

Jason, if you look at the 6th post on page 23 of this thread, it gives some additional information on telling the difference between Winchester and Camillus knives. In particular, there is a description and references to posts depicting the differences in the spey blades. The spey blade on yours is worn down considerably? The referenced post also mentions ringed bolsters as being more indicative of Camillus manufacture, as opposed to Winchester.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by msteele6 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:15 pm

Knife appears to be a 73878 3/4 shown on p. 202 of Sellens.

I would say that the knife is a Camillus made knife based on the following, first the "K" in the pattern number, I generally only see that on Camillus made knives. I assume that the "K" is underlined. The grooved bolsters are common on Camillus knives, however, I haven't really seen it very often on Winchester or Walden knives. The Keen Kutter logo should have the little ears at the top of the wedge, if they aren't there I'd be surprised. Finally, the shield shown in Sellens is the old logo shield, however, if you look at Sellen's dates they are 1921 through 1938. At the beginning of that period the knife would have been a Walden knife, at the end a Camillus. This knife is a later version in my opinion. Camillus made knives both with and without the "Simmons" on the logo.

I can't see anything about the punch that sounds any alarms.

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by edge213 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:20 am

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:07 pm

It looks like most signs are pointing to Camillus on that cattle knife - thanks Dan and msteele ::tu::

Here's another, and this one's easy - it's an Ulster! Not in Sellens book but the pattern dates to 1960-1966.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:28 pm

I picked up another Ulster Keen Kutter. This is an 834 and sadly some ding dong along the way nearly cleaned the etch off. It can be seen at the right angle but the camera doesn't catch it well. Just like the K58OT above, this one has no tang stamp. It's likely made around the same time. That turkish clip makes it a 1960+ knife.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:50 pm

Keen Kutter 883. It's not in Sellens but it's identical to the KS835RB on page 157.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by jxr1197 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:22 pm

I'm wondering if someone on here might know if this is a Winchester or maybe a Camillus? There's no pattern number and the closed length is 3.5". The shape of the clip is distinct so hopefully this one's easy to ID. Thanks for any input.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by FRJ » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:09 am

Here's a nice old knife that apparently has been recovered.
Sellens book says this should have Celluloid covers.
As it is, it has cracked jigged bone with a patch, thank you very much.
I love the spiral and those blades. And the pattern. And the stamp. And the nickel silver liners.
3 5/8" closed.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:32 am

Nice knives Jason and Joe! Joe, the handle replacement looks like it was well done quite some time ago. With fairly full blades and that spiral punch it is a nice old knife.
Jason, Sharpshinyknives has one just like the one in your last post in his AAPK store. It is a very distinctive clip blade. I am at a loss on it as to where it fits in. The tang stamps, on yours and on the one in the AAPK store, do not look quite right for old Simmons era Keen Kutters. I would not be surprised if they were more recent remakes, possibly in the 60s by Val-Test Distributors??
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