Knives from PA

[nifbuf]

To my knowledge, S&M did not use the half moon shield. I have a Washington Cutlery, Milwaukee with a half moon. Another very unusual shield is the claw hammer shield from Canton Cutlery. Welcome to knife collecting.

[knifegirl888]

I wasn't familiar with Washington Cutlery, so I just did a quick search in my books... Washington Cutlery Co. states "see Gray & Dudley Hdw. Co & Keith Simmons & Co." When I cross reference Gray & Dudley it states "Washington Cut., Hermitage-was Gray, Fall & Co.-1895; knives by S & M? Brand assigned to Keith Simmons c1927." So, it might be possible your Washington Cut. knife, is a Schatt & Morgan knife.

[nifbuf]

It is a real possibility the S&M made Washington knives, at least some of them. I bought several knife blades from a vender a few years back and in the bunch were some Washington Cutlery blades. I was told that the batch of blades was from old inventory sold by Queen in 1985.

[Miller Bro's]

David,

Those shields are unusual. You should post pictures in knife lore in the "Shields" thread

May I see a closeup of the tang stamp on your Washington cutlery knife?

[PA Knives]

Knifegirl,

The Penn Cutlery you have in the photo is NOT an Atkins knife nor a Penn Cutlery Tidioute! Here is an excellent opprotunity to learn how to READ a knife. Forget what the stamp says for a moment. Look at the bolsters (steel not nickle silver) look at the liners (steel not brass) steel pins not brass or NS either. Look at the bone. Smooth bone no bolster. All of these things tell me that it is not from Tidioute era, but actually made in England by an early company called PENN Cutlery. Now look at the stamp. the Script writing is indicitive of English cutlery. Therefore it has nothing to do with Tidioute, Atkins etc. but is indeed English. OLD too. I have one stamped the same way. GREAT lesson to learn. hope others join in on it. Thanks for showing it.

Now close your books and lets have a quiz. OH NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

[knifegirl888]

I was puzzled by the Penn Cutlery Co knife & had suspicions that it wasn't right. I am a newer collector & that was a knife we got out of a batch on ebay. I do really appreciate all info, thank you. Bret & I did notice it didn't have the quality of workmanship as the other PA knives and were skeptical. I am still learning every day! Just wondering, do the other knives I have just gotten this weekend look correct?

[nifbuf]

I realize that I am off subject and in the wrong state, but here are other pictures of the two Washington Cutlery jacks I have. The ebony handled one is stamped “Washington Cutlery Co.” in two lines. The Stag is “Washington” in a half circle and “Cutlery” in a straight line below it. Both knives are very old and no attempt has been made to clean then at all. Hope the stamping is visible.

[knifegirl888]

I do think the odd shields are so desirable! Thanks for sharing.

David, the stag on the second Washington Cutlery is just awesome! Maybe PAknives will know if these are Schatt & Morgan related for sure?

I did happen to get pictures of another one we have that is Schatt & Morgan related. This is our Chris Wolf knife. He was a foreman at S & M, from what I have read. I wish I had more information about why these were possibly made?

[nifbuf]

I have been researching the Chris Wolf name for some time now and find nothing but dead ends; nothing in the census or city directories of Titusville or Gowanda, NY. I am now thinking he may have been a traveling salesman for S&M living out of state. Someday something will turn up. Shown is an identical knife with Jess Crouch stamped into the blade, also the heavy stamp used to make the blade stamp. It is hard to believe but that stamp has survived and is still in the Queen Cutlery today. What an artifact it is.

[knifegirl888]

It is quite a mystery. It's interesting that those names do not show up in any census. Too bad there isn't some payroll sheet of Schatt & Morgan out there some where?

I am really enjoying your pictures!

[PA Knives]

HI!

I have seen Washington Cutlery stamped Tidioute as well. But as we all know, a stamping was not always unique to one particular firm. Is is possible the S&M made them for Washington as well, NO doubt. But until one finds an exact duplicate to a known production piece or can be identified such as the Tidioute stamping on the secondary blade, we may never know for sure. I own a Crouch and Wolf as well and my good friend David is the expert in that field. I know just enough to be dangerous about a wide range of PA Knives.

You got a great deal on the Kane knife. I looked at that one my self and was surprised at the price it went for. The others are all original pieces and you did well.

HEY, save a few for me will ya!!!!!!!!!

Tell Bret to treat you well, a girl who loves PA knives is worth looking after for sure. Let me know if he doesn't and I'll be knocking on the door

[Bret888]

I better watch her, she may run off with a guy with a bigger..... knife collection!

[knifegirl888]

Hello!

Bret doesn't feel lucky all the time, he complains that I run ahead of him at the gun shows & get all the good knives! I just don't have the problem of getting distracted by all those fancy shotguns.

He never has to worry about a thing and he knows it. I am hooked on Bret, as well as knives...

I was surprised that I got such a good deal on the Hollingsworth, Kane, PA knife myself. I had actually put in a much higher bid & when it topped out at the price it did, I was I just love the sparkly green handles on that knife.

We really got great deals on the 6 knives we got this weekend also. One I haven't posted is a stag handled Ka-Bar, that Bret liked. We got them all from the same man, and because we bought 6 of them, he gave us a good price.

It can be very dangerous to a bank account when we both are wanting to buy. Usually, one person keeps the other in check!

[knifegirl888]

Here is a Hukill-Hunter, Pittsburgh, PA. I know that these were contract made...and don't know if the stamp qualifies it as a PA knife?

[Bret888]

I know there are millions of Case's out there, but this one is special to me.

[peterforce]

once i get my collection and camera back ill be here ripping it up!!!!!!!
hey dave i grabbed my second BIDDLE HARDWARE PIECE.

like you said read your knives.

i can tell even though they have the lovely PHILADELPHIA,PA stamp they are german made.

i have tracked both to a biddle catalog!

i do not own the catalog but the ebayer
was kind enough to send me a scan of the knife pages!! {after some slight begging as he wanted 250$ for the CAT} i have the pics on a pc that my sig other has currently.i will make the few pages available to those who want them once i get the file.

also i see a few other of the chris wolf knives. i own one as well and love it. it was a
ebay steal! last i heard he worked at schatt but has that been diproved?

LOVE MY PA KNIVES!!!! enjoy the tic stub! ....lol!

[cattaraugus57]

ok here are mine.
4 Tryon and a C.F.Wolfertz

some day I'll find a Beaver Falls
come on I was BORN THERE!

[Miller Bro's]

How long is that Wolfertz?

What an unusual shield, can we see a close up of that one

[cattaraugus57]

PA Knives,Could you post a close up picture of any/all Beaver Falls you have?
appreciate it.

[PA Knives]

This one isn't mine, it belongs to Galvanic1882, but is a NICE example of Beaver Falls. I have one that is a wooden handle. They are SWEET.

That Biddle needs to come my way PETE. come on Bro, your holding out on me.

[cattaraugus57]

thanks for the B.F.Picture!
If i keep looking,begging and pleading I may get one someday!

the Wolf is 4" closed

[knifegirl888]

Bret & I were at a gunshow this past weekend. We found lots more that we wanted to buy, then we had money to buy...lol Anyways, here is my favorite find of the weekend, which for lack of better description is a "banana" shaped lockback.

W.R. CASE
& SONS
BRADFORD PA

[Owd Wullie]

AWESOME old knife!!

[knifegirl888]

I took another "stab" (no pun intended) at a Penn Cutlery Co knife. I posted one on this thread on page 10 before that was of minimal quality & was not a Tidioute knife.

This one is interesting & I am wondering if I can get any opinions as to whether this one is a possible Tidioute.....

It appears to be horn handled with abalone shield & stars inlaid. I apologize for the pictures, they were taken indoors, but the first one with the blue background is color-true.

Any ideas?

[gino]

KG
sorry I cant give you any info but that is a really cool unusual knife. thanks for sharin it. I enjoy seeing knives I have never seen before and that is one.