A. G. Russell Knives

[Phil Gibbs]

phil im assuming u were in some management or design area at camillus

Yes, I was extremely fortunate to have been a design engineer at Camillus.

[Phil Gibbs]

nice post there phil. but knowing the prices that come out of that country. i am sure a g could have dropped 40% off his price and still made a profit. at least it made me think twice and buy that a. g./ camillus made granddaddy barlow.

Yea, that Granddaddy is a beauty!

In all due respect, "knowing the prices that come out of that country" does not relate much to the discussion at hand.

We asked them to do things they had never done before.
We asked them to do operations they had never heard of.
Many of our requirements forced them to use outside contractors for a single manufacturing step.
A.G.'s almost compulsive desire to put the absolutely largest blade possible in a folding knife frame results in such painful manufacturing tolerances, that many of our blades are actually cut by tooling machine shops using wire EDMs!
We actually have to ship some of the materials to them too!

Please do not get me wrong, your statement is mostly valid.
I have been in the knife business long enough to know what almost all of the prevalent pricing is.

However, I am confident I could buy 1000 gas station quality 3 blade stockman knives for far less than the cost of 1000 AGR Sunfish Lockback blade blanks only!

Then of course those blade blanks require:
Nail marks milled into both sides.
Shipped to AGR certified Heat Treatment facility.
Double disc ground for thickness control.
Machine ground.
Hand ground.
Hand polished.
Multiple laser etches.........

Then add about 25 more pieces to make a knife............

[philco]

Post edited to remove inflamatory and inappropriate content.


Phil
AAPK moderator there was no inappropriate or inflamatory comments on this post apparently philco is a china made knife lover who secretly wants to market his own brand of chinese made knives

I have no secret agenda. I do have a store here on AAPK that just opened yesterday and in that store I do have some Chinese made knives for sale. No secret to that, and I will tell you that my offering these knives for sale has not one thing to do with the way I am handling these anti Chinese knife rants. The slim amount of profit I might achieve on such sales would most certainly not sway my views on the subject. I took this stand well before I even had a store here. Simply put I don't like folks being bullied here on these forums and as long as I'm a moderator here I intend to do what I can to keep it from happening.

What I am attempting to do is put a stop to members who attack every time someone mentions a knife made in China. It is intimidating to those who are on the recieving end and it creates a hostile environment here on AAPK that does not need to exist. This sort of thing has gone on quite a while here and seems to be getting worse. I have consulted with both Orvet and Bryan and have their support in my efforts to rein in this continual pattern of unprovoked verbal assaults on anyone who shows an interest in Chinese cutlery.

Phil Stevens
AAPK moderator

[trey]

Keep up the good work, Phil. These rants are also on tool forums.

I think the AG Russell knives are nice but I do wish they were American made.
I'm not anti anybody, just pro American. I would rather talk knives than
politics here.

[orvet]

First, my apologies to Phil Gibbs and the rest of our members who were trying to have a meaningful and intelligent conversation about some beautiful AG Russell knives.

I did not see everything that was said in this thread as I only found it this afternoon. What I saw really upset me! So far, the disrespectful tirades of one individual has costs that person the privilege of their membership, which includes the privilege of posting on AAPK.

Folks, you all know where I stand on the issue of respecting other members; disrespect, name-calling, insults and other such nonsense will not be tolerated while I am the Administrator for AAPK!

My apologies to all AAPK members who had to endure yet another boring tirade from someone saying the same things that had been said a dozen times before. I don't care where anyone stands politically, socially, religiously or philosophically. I don't care what anyone here thinks about importing knives from China. It really doesn't matter. What matters is that our members can interact in a responsible and adult manner without name-calling, insults or just plain bad manners.

Getting along with people different from oneself, who may hold views different from yours, but still being able to interact with them in a meaningful and pleasant way is the mark of a mature individual. You don't have to agree with everyone, you don't even have to like them; you only have to keep your interactions with them pleasant, while you're on AAPK. Treat them respectfully, as you would wish to be treated and there will be no problem. Engage in rude or disrespectful tirades, name-calling and other such behavior will result in the offending person or persons losing the privilege of their membership at AAPK. If you need to vent about knives that were made in other countries you may do so respectfully in the General Off Topic Discussion forum. If that is not adequate to deal with the angst you have on the subject matter than please feel free to exercise one of the following options:

1-Say nothing. We all have our own opinions on most things in life. This is fine. We are free to hold any opinion we want. It does not mean you are free to regurgitate your vitriol on anyone who dares to hold a different opinion.

2-Feel free to join another forum that shares your views and will tolerate your attitude. There is probably one somewhere if you look hard.


We at AAPK take great pride in the friendliness of our members. These disrespectful tirades will not be tolerated. 99.9% of our members are friendly and welcoming to new members. It is that 0.1% who are making the AAPK experience unpleasant for others. This will not be allowed to continue.

Membership in AAPK is a privilege not a right. You earn the privilege to keep your membership by treating your fellow members with respect. Failure to do so may result in the loss of membership.

Now, play nice and everybody back in the pool!

Thank you,
Dale Vincent
AAPK Administrator

[ringergary]

Well said Dale, I thought American's and us Aussie's have fought for generations for freedom , which includes freedom of speech. Everybody has a right to express their opinion, '''but'' keep it respectful. cheers Gary..

[chetr1200c]

right on dale, we are adults and should act like adults..i agree to disagree,, but in a civil manner....

[orvet]

right on dale, we are adults and should act like adults..i agree to disagree,, but in a civil manner....

At least some people get it!

Guys, this is all we have been asking; consideration for the person who may have a view different from you and to treat them respectfully.

I thank you, Bryan thanks you, Phil and the rest of the moderator team thank you!
It makes our (voluntary) jobs much easier.

Kudos!

Dale

[glenn]

Got Round Table?

[theblindog]

Bryan, Phil, Dale, and all the mods, thank you

[philco]

Got Round Table?

It won't be much longer now glenn.

[edgy46]

Thank you Dale Phil and all the others who help keep AAPK the friendly place to talk and show knives.
There are topics and forums here that I don't care for. Tactical knives for instance do not interest me, but others of US do like them. They do not need my disaproval or aproval, just my silence. The us was capitalized and underlined to emphasize that we as a group should respect the feelings and opinions all members.
Remember our reputation as the friendly knife site and that knives are more important than politics!

[orvet]

Remember our reputation as the friendly knife site and that knives are more important than politics!

Well said Bill!
Thank you!

[RobesonsRme.com]

As the originator of this thread, I feel obligated to update everyone on the subject matter.

The "cocbolo" handled "gunstock" jack arrived yesterday and needless to say I am not a happy camper.

I should have listened to all the sage advice offered earlier.

The knife is diminutive in size. The fit and finish are horrible. There is zero snap to the blade's opening and closing.

I strongly advise all to avoid these knives.

Photo below. Left click to make it look as large as it was purported to be.

Charlie Noyes

[basser5]

LMAO , Now thats funny!

[jerryd6818]

Deleted because I don't read.

[FRJ]

OOOHH, but it has such nice lines!!!!

[robinetn]

As the originator of this thread, I feel obligated to update everyone on the subject matter.

The "cocbolo" handled "gunstock" jack arrived yesterday and needless to say I am not a happy camper.

I should have listened to all the sage advice offered earlier.

The knife is diminutive in size. The fit and finish are horrible. There is zero snap to the blade's opening and closing.

I strongly advise all to avoid these knives.

Photo below. Left click to make it look as large as it was purported to be.

Charlie Noyes

Don't despair , it probably just dried out during shipping . I am sure that if you just drop it into a glass of water overnight it will swell back up to the original advertised size . If that dosen't work try adding some Enzyte or Cialis to the water .

Bob

[LC]

Well I for one am requesting that my membership here at AAPK be with drawn when views are not tolerated by some members of this forum I believe one of my rights here is being violated I don't care what a person likes to collect or can afford just so that person is enjoying his or her self To much trying to be PC around here, tell it like it is and be done with it Well guys been nice chatting with y'all and learning about knife collecting, everybody that knows me knows were I can be found ::blah:: ::blah:: ::blah:: ::blah::
Hope y'all get a chance to read the link below before it's deleted

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charte ... cript.html

[RobesonsRme.com]

I don't exactly know what part of this whole thread has caused LC to leave AAPK, but I certainly hope it wasn't my post from yesterday, April 1st, which was April Fools Day, because that is exactly what I posted, an April Fools joke.

Charlie Noyes

[MITCH RAPP]

I think LC, made his position very clear!

[tc3500]

I was ready to move on from this site also after I felt dis-respected by an AAPK moderator.
I edited my posts so that geemuzzik could calm down and told Bryan to delete me. I had an
unfinished deal with JR and stayed on a couple days to finish it, then I was outta here.
I decided to hang out in chat a few times and 'listen' for the general attitude of this site.
I was pleasantly surprised by the welcoming attitude and willingness to help others that seemed
to exist in the chat area to a larger extent than on the forum. People on the forums are also
helpful, but some snarker always seems to come along and stir chit, then the AAPK mods seem
to over react anf throw 'freedom of speech' out the window. I understand that they are in a
tough spot, but they asked to be, or accepted that job at least. I like that they want this site
to be 'the friendliest knife site.........', but please dont do it at the expense of losing members.
Sometimes people need to get stuff out or express an opinion that we may not agree with. We
should respect that more, maybe even let someone have a bad day without running them off.
I am not saying that LC had a bad day, just a general statement.

LC - please reconsider your membership. The guys in chat are GREAT, maybe we will see you there.


Orvet, Did you mean to say 'shut up or get the fock out' ?? LOL

1-Say nothing. We all have our own opinions on most things in life. This is fine. We are free to hold any opinion we want. It does not mean you are free to regurgitate your vitriol on anyone who dares to hold a different opinion.
2-Feel free to join another forum that shares your views and will tolerate your attitude. There is probably one somewhere if you look hard.

[DRM60]

well thats a shame. LC is a wealth of knowledge. yes, we all have opinions and we should be free to share them here. some may be more forceful or inventive in the way they do it. accept it and move on. the same way we are being asked to respond to the china knife issue. i don't like it, don't want it and ain't gonna buy it. i accept that some will and i move on. to start throwing weight around is a little over the top. admonish if necessary then move on.

I'm over at that other place as well. ArkieNBenton.

[Gregg]

I believe LC was correct in posting the Bill of Rights. In my humble opinion everyone needs to read it occasionally, some more than others. By the way, most know were to find me posting also.

[MITCH RAPP]

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