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Ok, ya'll got me into this, tell me how to organize this mess. :D
Over the past several months i've been buying practically every broken down old beat up knife I can get my hands on. As a result, i've got bunches of repairable knives, not to mention, blades, backsprings, liners, handles and every other component it takes to rebuild/repair/ restore quite a few knives. Problem is, it's become a total mish-mosh of goods.
Got any suggestions on how to get this stuff organized? Sort by brand, by pattern, blades in one drawer, springs in another?
Do you ever breakdown knives ahead of time while your waiting to find suitable parts? (i've done this with a handful and so far i'm using a bag and tag method to keep them together)
Seems like it'd be nice to have a system that would expand as I add to the "pile". ::facepalm::
Bottom line: whatta ya do with all these little pieces and parts?

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Hey WB, these work pretty good. All parts from each knife can be stored in the same container. They cheap too!
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WB, the little cabinet The 'C' Man posted is a great idea. I have a couple of those hanging on the wall behind my workbench. My problem is, I don't label them and end up opening every drawer when I'm looking for something. Still a great idea if I were more diligent. :)

Another solution is probably what you're using now, ziplock sandwich bags. They're cheap, you can mark on them and they're transparent so you can see what's in them.
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These parts bins from China Town (Harbor Freight) might fit in with what you're doing. On the bench or on the wall they're great for organizing. http://www.harborfreight.com/parts-rack ... 95496.html
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A little trial and error and you'll finally settle on what works best for you. Good luck.
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Thanks guys!

Bill, I have a few of those type. (already filled with other stuff) Probably one of the best choices for what i'm needing, but notoriously have the same issue as Jerry. I fail miserably at labeling. I do good at first, but over time as the contents change, I never seem to update the labels. End result...go through every drawer and the item i'm lookin' for is always in the last drawer I look in. ::dang:: Still an excellent idea, just need to quit being lazy about tagging them properly.

Jerry, I have a couple of those style too. I keep all my larger woodworking screws and such in them. The problem I would have with those is, I build cabinets in the same shop and the open bins collect dust terribly over time.

It occurs to me as i'm sittin' here typing this, that I could maybe buy a couple of each style and use the bins/trays to build a custom storage cabinet. ::hmm:: The use of the store bought drawers would drastically cut down on the amount of time it took to build it. ::idea::

Ya'll are an inspiration! I think you've put me on to something. ::tu::

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Sometimes all it takes is a nudge in the right direction to get the old innovative juices flowing. It's one of the reasons my buddies and I tend to do projects together. We ain't stupid but the three of us are usually smarter than any one of us. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Make sure you post pictures of the finished product.
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That is the absolute truth Jerry. I don't know how many times i've sit and pondered on how to do a particular task, only to have someone say a single sentence and it's like, YEAH! "That's it!" They may not even give you the exact solution, but it's enough to send your mind thinking in a different direction. Sometimes, that's all it takes.
I now have a plan, but wouldn't mind seein' how some of the seasoned vet mechanics handle it, too. ::nod:: Surely you guys don't just throw it all into grocery sacks. :lol:

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"Bag um an tag um" is something mechanics have been doing for quite a few
years - each bag gets marked such as "water pump" and the bolts removed
as the pump is being removed are put into the bag. This saves a LOT of searching
and improvising when it's time to re-assemble.
(it's easier to mark the bags BEFORE putting the parts in them)

Ziploc makes a "snack" bag that is half the length of the samwich bags - only
problem I have out of those is the box itself says SNACK on it... when I open the
cabinet door I ALWAYS think I have come across a box of snacks the 'ol lady has
hidden from me. :lol:

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Wal-Mart & Office Depot both have great lines of small to large plastic boxes with lids that I use for parts. I also use fishing tackle trays to organize blades, parts, tools and even knives I am planning to work on.

None of these things work without labels. I bought a Brothers label maker, about $25 or less. It keeps things neatly labeled. Without some sort of labels I would be lost, even if it is a piece of masking tape written on with a Sharpie, you need some way of keeping everything labeled.

I will post some pics of how I organize my shop. My system may not be right for everyone but it works for me. I find organization & labeling necessary in a small, crowded shop. Without organization & labels I would spend most of my time looking for things.

I also find it helpful to take time every now & then to clean up my shop and put everything in the right place. It makes working in the shop faster, easier and far more enjoyable.
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I use the little parts bins with the drawers also. I try to keep all the parts from a knife together in the same drawer, until I rebuild. Then I tend to throw the leftover parts in bins by brand. Of course, this is simplified by the fact that I rebuild ALOT of TL-29's.

Then of course, I have the "basket case" coffee can w/ all the parts knives in it.
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I thought I would show you how I have organized my shop. This may not work for you, but it works well for me and since I'm the one that is using it, I'm a happy camper. ::ds::

One of the most important pieces of organizational equipment is my label maker.
It is a Brothers label maker I think I paid about $20-$25 for it for five years ago.
It makes different types of labels, different sizes, different fonts, both horizontal and vertical. Without labels the rest of my organization in bins and boxes would be nearly worthless as I would spend more time searching through them to find the item I am looking for.
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In this drawer of plastic boxes of various sizes. The handles clip up onto the lids to hold them closed. As you can see these are labeled. Here are just a couple of drawers full of parts knives.
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Here is a fishing tackle tray with assorted replacement Schrade blades, also labeled.
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Here are some larger plastic bins filled with knife parts and handle material.
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Here are the parts bins with drawers. Most of the drawers are labeled. Overhead are more small boxes with various handle material and some parts.
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Here are some of the larger bins on one of my shelves.
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These bins are available in various sizes. Office Depot has some very small bins that I use for different sized knife pins that I have pre-made by spinning a head on one end.


Most of the bins that I have in my shop have come from Office Depot or Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's doesn't have the smaller bins but their larger bins are generally less expensive, although Office Depot's bins are sturdier IMO. The clear rectangle boxes on the left or from a craft store. The light blue square boxes with the clear top were from Office Depot (75 cents to 1 dollar on sale). The little black boxes with the clear lids were containers that a couple magnifying glasses I purchased came in. I love to recycle, when I can get something for free that way. :mrgreen:
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I included this shot to show what you can do with things you find around the house. This is an old spice rack my wife threw out. Instead of spice bottles I used pill bottles with labels for some manufactured pins I got. The spice rack cost me nothing; my wife was going to throw it out, and of course the pill bottles were destined for the garbage as well. My total out-of-pocket for this rack is next to nothing. All I have invested in it is the price of the labels.
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Most of the bins that I have purchased from Wal-Mart or Office Depot I try to buy on sale. Many of the small ones even the 4x4 ones from Wal-Mart or as little as $1 to $1.50 each. Unless you have tons of money (I don't) you won't go out and buy a bunch of boxes and bins all at one time. I watch the sales and pick them up a few at a time. The ones I have been purchased over about a four-year period, so there was no big expense at any one time. Several of the fishing tackle trays I have I got used. Look for these at yards sales, secondhand stores, flea markets etc.,

It's amazing what you can find in the way of storage at flea markets, yard sales, secondhand stores and junk shops. I guess saving money on the things I pick up for my shop fits well with the guy who's trying to fix up old pocketknives. :lol:


Well, that is the basic storage and organizational method that I use in my shop. I would like to see how other people organize their shops. I am always looking for new and better ways to organize my shop to make it less cluttered and more efficient.

Please share your tips organization and storage! ::tu::
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Wow Dale !!

One of my favorite parts containers is Altoid's tins - they're small, will hold most barlow sized knives, and stackable too. And the residual dust inside keeps my parts minty fresh. :mrgreen:
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What a great setup, Dale!! You've really got it together!! That label maker is a must have, it's at the top of the list.
Because the shop I work out of, is first and foremost, my place of buisiness. I frequently have to be able to clear the benches and work areas of all knife related items quickly. 40' x 60' is a fair enough size building, but when you start putting together a 3' x 2' x 7'-8' tall pantry unit, you need all the space you can get. (not to mention, the other 15-20+ cabinets that go with it) I do have about a 6' x 8' area back in one corner that is pretty much dedicated to the machines I use when i'm "knifin". But, even that can be inaccessable at certain times.
I have been using a couple of old tackle boxes (you know the ones that rubber worms will melt the trays?) They work ok, but i'm running out of space in 'em. I could keep adding more of the same, but they don't really lend themselves to labeling and aren't expandable at all. (they'll hold what they'll hold, and that's it)
I've also been using a bit of the bag-n-tag method. I keep those stowed in the bottom of the tackle boxes. I could just take which ever knife is on top of the pile, but i've found that if I go through them, evententually one of 'em will "inspire" :roll: me to work on it next. At this point, that leads to 20-30 bags to go through. How many might there be a year from now? ::undecided::
What I have in mind for my own purposes, is a single storge unit. Something I can put everything into, seal up (the dust thing) and stowaway until the next time I want to get to it. What comes to mind is maybe a modest size trunk or maybe an oversized machinist type chest. The space I have best suited to stowing it in, is only roughly 18" wide x 16" tall, but it could be up to about 3' long.
I'm goin' up to the flea market today, I remember seeing a whole box full of those plastic trays like they use in those organizer units. I bet I can get 'em for a couple of bucks. If so, i'll start with those and work around 'em. Just kinda see where it goes from there.
Thanks for all the helpful tips, guys! Dale, you are THE wizard of organization ::nod:: and Joe, will do on the pics.

WB

P.S. Jammer, what's an Altoid, and just how many o' them things you takin' a day? :)
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Well, after seeing Dales organization system I feel mighty inadequate posting this. I'm simple, I use 3 gal buckets with lids, you can get them for free from the bakery at meijers and other similar stores. They are divided up crudely, parts knives (ones that are beyond repair), knives for repair, knives for customizing, blades, springs and liners. then I organize the switchblade parts. They are organized by country of origin, Germany, America, and foreign (Mexican, Spanish, Italian).
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Small parts like those for switchblades (springs, buttons, safeties, ect ect) get organized in those little craft boxes you can get from hobby lobby, I have another for dremel accessories.
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I also use cigar boxes if I have a quantity of particular parts. Like I have a lot of schrade blades, German eye blades and German eye backsprings each of these go into their own cigar box.
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I could use a better organization system, maybe something I'll consider when springtime gets here and I do my annual spring cleaning of the shop and re-organizing
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:shock: Oh Lord, I hope I don't go so far as to need 5 gallon buckets to store my fixer uppers in. ::doh:: :)
Cigar boxes are always good, I don't have all that many, but they'd be excellent for larger knives or larger quantities of like parts. Shoe boxes would be a good next size up. ::uc::
Oh crud, I can tell i'm gonna end up with 5 gallon buckets yet! ::dang:: :lol:
Lot of good ideas, guys. Thanks for the input.

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A place I worked bought popcorn for the employees. Quite a few of us ate it on a regular basis. Instead of throwing away the tray type "boxes" the popcorn (Act II) came in, I would take them home and use them in my shop. I'll get a picture of one the next time I'm out in the garage.
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whitebuffalo58 wrote:P.S. Jammer, what's an Altoid, and just how many o' them things you takin' a day? :)

Altoids are breath mints that come in various flavors.
This tin is cinnamon though peppermint is the most common flavor.

I included a couple old tobacco tins in this quick scan.
Altoids and tobacco tins like these are excellent for storing parts!
I have a bunch of them!
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Those would work good, almost too purty for a bunch of dirty old knives though. (almost :D ) Those are alot like the old Sucrets tins. I may have a few of those around. A few old bandaid tins too. I'm just gonna have to go take a look through some of these old outbuildings and see what's been stashed over the years.
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Welp, this is what I ended up with. Used quite a few of the suggestions that were posted. Just tweeked 'em a bit to suit what I needed. You folks always help a bunch, and I appreciate ya!

I started with these, $3.50 from the flea market.
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After a few minutes, I had arrainged them to utilize as many as possible. (ended up with just one spare) These will be much easier to go through then pulling out one drawer at a time. Dale, will that label maker make 'em small enough to fit on the tab at the front of each drawer?
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Next I needed a big tray for all the little ones.
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Then of course ya need a trunk to keep the big tray full of little tray's in, right?
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:shock: It fit right the first try! :shock:
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TA-DA! This pic would've looked better with Vanna White in it. (but then what pic wouldn't?)
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Ok, I had to do it!

And here it is with a few other organizers that should fit nicely in the bottom of the trunk. These were just odds and ends that I had stowed away and hadn't thought about in awhile.
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I think it's gonna work fine for what i'm needing. Stowable with lots of room to grow. ::woot:: I need more stuff!! I'll post a few more pics when I get everything put in.

Thanks again for all the help. ::handshake::

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whitebuffalo58 wrote: Dale, will that label maker make 'em small enough to fit on the tab at the front of each drawer?
Very nice WB!
The label maker should make them small enough. The tape is1/2” but you can trim the tape down as I have done in some cases. The small font is only 1/8” tall so it should be able to trim the label if needed.
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Thanks Dale! I figured it'd make some fairly small labels. I'll have to check out Ebay and see what I can find one on there for. If not it will be on the list for the next trip to town. (Office Depot, maybe?)

Oh, and are you sure that's what an Altoid is? :lol:

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looks good WB

and in my defense those are only 3 gal buckets. I do have a couple 5's full of stuff too though ::dang::
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Thanks MM! I think it turned out pretty good for a weekend project. And, 3 or 5, you're still the only feller I know who measures his fixer-uppers by the gallon!! I can't wait till ya post pics of those 55 gallon drums ya got stashed in the back room! :mrgreen: ::tu::

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After seeing Dale's take tray full of schrade blades I couldn't get it out of my head. It looked so clean and tidy.

I mean, what looks better?

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Yeah, I thought so too. So I went out and dug around in the barn and found a couple crusty old tackle trays. I can't do this for every brand and pattern parts I have or I would need 2,000 of these boxes then would come the issue of where to stack them all, but I have a large quantity of old stock German eye parts, and American switchblade parts are pretty limited too so I decided to do them first. More will get organized as I am able to pick up the boxes cheap on sale or yard sales and flea markets

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Much better. I also decided to start coating NOS parts with mineral oil. I had a bunch of nice case trapper blades out in the shop and when I dug them out they were covered in thick rust :x . Thought I'd use them before they had a chance to get rusty but I was wrong. Arrgh So now all the carbon steel parts get a thin coating of mineral oil before they get filed away in thier respective containers. I think some silca gel packets might help too.

Here's some organized auto parts.
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Should keep things in order and easier to find when needed. Thanks for the boot Dale, this being organized stuff really is cool. Better than having crap piled everywhere in no particular order LOL
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By golly MM, you can teach an old dog new tricks! :lol: Lookin' good! ::tu::
But how can you stand to let those autos be unrepaired long enough to need storage for 'em? :wink:
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whitebuffalo58 wrote:By golly MM, you can teach an old dog new tricks! :lol: Lookin' good! ::tu::
But how can you stand to let those autos be unrepaired long enough to need storage for 'em? :wink:
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