SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS

[DR_MAGOO]

Let’s try the March 05 posting again with pictures attached. Does this help to identify the knife?

Does anyone have any details on the production quantity of this knife description and/or the year?

Etched on blade is the following:
SCHMIDT & ZEIGLER
STOCK KNIFE "EL TORO"

The pattern is 7043 and the knife is 3 3/4" long.
The knife has 3 blades and ivory handles.

The front shield has the standard upside down bull.
The back shield has the double check mark.

I purchased the knife new in the early to mid 1970's and have misplaced the paperwork that came with it.

[DR_MAGOO]

Can anyone help?
I posted this some time ago and didn't get a response. Thought that I'd try again.

[mumblypeg]

Howdy Magoo- My reference books shows the Bull Head logo and El Toro were produced c.1930's. If yours was new in the '70s, it might be a reproduction. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

[junebug]

knife collectors guide 6th ed. ron stewart:
same as mumblys answer but also has : 4" stockman/3 bld/ stockman pat./bone handle/$45
bull brand= $15-$75...........
also:
carl schmidt / germany / $30-$50..............

thats all my books have...................

[DR_MAGOO]

mumblypeg and junebug,
Thanks for your response.

[morrisindp44]

I would be interested in buying it.

[Paladin]

My experience is that S&Z is a very under-appreciated knife. The ones I have had were well made and had the best edge holding of any I know of. For me to admit that they out cut an old Eye Brand is quite an admission and until I had one in my hands, I refused to believe it.
One of the best edc's I've had.

Ray

[Jethro Bodine]

Hey Magoo, I believe the El Toro was S&Z's version of the premium stock knife. Fairly common knife from the late 60's early 70's, although I've never seen one in ivory. Sold one a few years ago on the bay that had jigged bone handles. Well made knives, & excellent steel as Ray already mentioned.

[DR_MAGOO]

Thanks everyone for all of the input, sorry it's not for sale. This Ivory handle and a Bone handle were a special limited edition that had a second shield on the pile side that had a double check mark. I have since obtained info stating that these knives were produced around 1972. I will agree with Ray that the edc's that I've owned hold a great edge.

[Paladin]

If I'm not mistaken, all their stag handled knives had a shield on both sides. Not exactly sure why, maybe for engraving initials or such.

[DR_MAGOO]

Could be, I don't ever recall seeing a stag S&Z. I do have a WELL used one without the upside down bull on the shield.

[HiPower]

i personally sharpened & tested one of these in stock pattern on cutting cardboard & it had the most durable edge i'd ever seen on a pocketknife. even outcut some of the super alloy s30v. another old s& z trapper had the best executed flat gring i had witnessed on a factory folder.--HiPower

[DelNich.57]

I have a Schmidt and Zeigler Bull Brand knife I'd like more info on please . Pictures to follow. It has the number 322 stamped on back of one blade. Incredibly capable knife to be so small! Thanking you in advance!