Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[Unk]

Hi Willie,

Yes, I think the folks who said the M1 Carbines didn't have enough stopping power had never been shot with one.

For their intended purpose - a light side arm - with a little longer reach than the .45 - to protect the logistics folks and officers - it was a great little weapon.

and I'll tell you - after taking that heavy-assed Garand hog hunting - I wouldn't want to have to carry that thing all the way across Europe! (although it's still my favorite)

[Gunstock Jack]

Barry, I bet that pistola is a handful. LOL[/quote]

I dunno, Wullie. I'm skeerd ta touch it off with full house loads! I'll havta get back to you on it!

[jerryd6818]

Got this from a 1960 U.S. Army training film on the M-14. What's wrong with this picture?

[treefarmer]

Jerry, it looks like he is wearing a ammo belt that goes with an M-1 Garand. Can't see fittin' a 20 round M-14 clip in them little pockets. Seems like I recall we had canvas pouches for each magazine back in the old Corps. Treefarmer

[jerryd6818]

Good eye Phil. The video is date stamped 1960 and the M-14 was first issued in 1959 so I don't know why they would have used an M-1 cartridge belt. Hey! It's the Army. Whaddayu expect.

I've probably mentioned, our boot camp series was one of the first to be issued M-14's. They were still in cosmoline. A GI-can with an immersion heater was brought up (or maybe more than one. I don't remember.) and we dunked the receiver/barrel group in the hot water to clean off the cosmoline. Some fun, eh?

[treefarmer]

Kinda neat to stir the memory of days gone by. Sittin' on your personal fire bucket as a stool to clean that M-14 after a long day on the rifle range and being harassed by those loveable D.I.s that claimed they had taken the place of your mother and father and in some instances your God (that claim always bothered me), my, my, them were the days at the summer resort known as Parris Island! Treefarmer

[Unk]

Gotta get me one of these.......some day...

http://springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=15

[jerryd6818]

Gotta get me one of these.......some day...

http://springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=15

That's what I thought Unk but when I finally had the money, I decided it would just sit in the gun cabinet like the rest and never get shot, sooo...

I still love that weapon and that desire to own one never completely goes away.




"and in some instances your God (that claim always bothered me)"

Phil - Now that you know it was just their shtick, does it still bother you?

[Iron Hoarder]

I've always wanted to go to the Springfield armory and say I'll have one of everything please.

[Paladin]

xx

[coffeecup]

Yes, I think the folks who said the M1 Carbines didn't have enough stopping power had never been shot with one.

By your criteria, I qualify to comment. When loaded with ball ammo, beyond 150 yards or so, I don't think the M1 carbine has enough stopping power.

At closer ranges, particularly when loaded with HP ammo, it is a different matter.

[johnnierotten]

Man,that’s sure is a pretty one,Ray.

[treefarmer]

Jerry, when we recall all that happens in such a short time at boot camp, we fully understand the effort and various techniques used were the only way to get a platoon of individuals to function as a unit without asking "why?" or saying "I don't feel like doing that". They certainly had my attention but personally I didn't accept their claim of Deity in my life and still feel that way about that particular statement. It has been almost 48 years since I went to MCRD, Parris Island, South Carolina, and I know that what I learned then has helped me through a lot of hard places in this old world. The Drill Instructors were experts at what they did in training us mentally and physically but I still don't accept thier claim to be my God. Sorta got off the track here about the M-14, but I remember, I think, what was called the "100 inch range" where they helped you "dope" your rifle before going to the actual rifle range. One of the coaches commented to me that I looked comfortable with my rifle and asked about my shooting experiences. At that point I realized that not every NCO on Parris Island ate recruits for breakfast! It was a special time to have someone cut me a little slack under the watchful eyes of the DIs of Platoon 160. Treefarmer

[Owd Wullie]

Hi Willie,

Yes, I think the folks who said the M1 Carbines didn't have enough stopping power had never been shot with one.

For their intended purpose - a light side arm - with a little longer reach than the .45 - to protect the logistics folks and officers - it was a great little weapon.

and I'll tell you - after taking that heavy-assed Garand hog hunting - I wouldn't want to have to carry that thing all the way across Europe! (although it's still my favorite)

I hear ya on waggin a Garand.

I watched my late uncle work out with a carbine one afternoon back in the late 60's. He nailed a paper plate to a tree and we walked out 300 or so steps. He was 6'2" and he did the counting. He jacked a round into that carbine and shot that plate 10 times and put all 10 rounds into it. Later that afternoon, I watched him cut a cotton mouth to pieces with the same rifle.

He was a shootin SOB. He was also arrested in Tangiers, Morrocco for "gun running" in 1962. At the time of his arrest his passport had the name of Lee Oswald on it. He was at the Bay of Pigs and made it out. It was later reported that he was a CIA operative. His real name was Thomas Eli Davis III and he's written about or mentioned in just about every "who shot John" book on the planet. He was killed in '73. It was reported as an accident. I don't think so, but there is no way to prove it.

Oh well.

[Miller Bro's]

According to Anthony Summers, in Conspiracy, Thomas Eli Davis III was
an anti-Castro gun-runner associated with Jack Ruby. Ruby told his first
attorney, Tom Howard, that it would be a problem if Davis name came up.
Seth Kantor finally identified Davis (the Warren Commission had only the
last name) as a former Texas bank robber.
At the time of the assassination, he was in North Africa. Within a
month, he was in jail in Tangier. Morroccan police detained him after
finding "a letter in his handwriting which referred in passing to Oswald
and the Kennedy assassination." The letter was addressed to a New York
attorney. CIA operative QJ/WIN sprung Davis from jail. QJ/WIN was the key
agent in the Staff D (William Harvey) executive action program. Steve
Rivele identified QJ/WIN as Jose Mankel, a Luxembourg-based smuggler.
Tom Davis wsa killed in 1973, electrocuted while cutting a power
line in the course of an apparent robbery. His wife said he had worked as
a soldier of fortune in Indochina, Indonesia, Algeria and Cuba, and she
suspected that he also had worked for the Mafia.
Henry Hurt, in Reasonable Doubt, published a photo of Davis, a
devoted part of a chapter to him, including a summary biography. In
January 1963, Davis got a passport in New Orleans. He became involved in
mercenary activities, and was arrested in Tangier for trying to sell guns.
He spoke fluent Spanish and vaguely resembled Oswald. He admitted using
the name Oswald in his activities. He had approached Ruby about making a
pornographic movie using some of Ruby's strippers. Both were involved with
Robert Ray McKeown in gun-running. He was a professional deep-sea diver,
and trained anti-Castro units in Florida and South America. During 1963,
he was in California and Lousiana. He resembles Silvia Odio's description
of "Oswald." On August 8-10, 1963, "T.E. Davis" was registered at the
Hotel LaSalle in New Orleans (Oswald was arrested August 9 after the
street dispute with Carlos Bringuier).
Davis and his wife left the U.S. on November 2, arrived in Tangiers
November 28, and he was arrested ten days later. Upon his arrest, the
letter was discovered. The NY lawyer was Thomas G. Proctor. On November
22, he was allegedly in jail briefly in Algiers, gotten out by QJ/WIN.
Davis told a reporter in 1964 that, while in Algeria, he used the name
Oswald. He told his third and last wife that he knew who killed President
Kennedy. He died trying to steal copper wire from a quarry.
The CIA denied having a file on Davis; the FBI had 200
pages, but refused to release it on "national security" grounds; the Army
file had been destroyed along with Oswald's in the 1973 file destructions
mandated after exposure of Army domestic surveillance.

[Owd Wullie]

Thought I was BS'ing you didn't ya.

I need to do another FOIA request and see how many blacked out pages this one has. It's been about 25 years since the last one.

The last one had more blacked out pages than not.

[jerryd6818]

I believe they refer to that as 'redacted'.

[Bret888]

That is interesting Willie! I think it is pretty clear Oswald did not act alone, and suspect there was a back up shooter, that fired the last shot, from a different direction, and angle. Even as a little kid, I questioned why the Warren commission evidence had to be locked up until everyone alive at the time would be dead???

[muskrat man]

S&W .38 Safety Hammerless Nickel, MOP and 14k medallions

[FRJ]

What a nice old gun, Kaleb. ............ Help me. Is that a 38 special?

It's beautiful.

[Gunstock Jack]

Wow, Kaleb! That is one purty pocket pistol!!!

[muskrat man]

What a nice old gun, Kaleb. ............ Help me. Is that a 38 special?

It's beautiful.

Thanks men, it's .38 S&W it's shorter than a .38 special. They brought out the .38 Special in 1899 (I think) when they introduced the hand ejector for the military for the war. The 38 S&W wasn't putting down the adversary reliably because they were hopped up on drugs. I guess the top break mechanism wasn't strong enough to handle the 38 special. I wish they had made it in special though. One in .22 or .22mag would be a neat little pea shooter too

[johnnierotten]

Nice revolver Kaleb!!
The gambler Dude "Hugh O'Brian" in the "Shootist" used one just like yours.

WOW....I'm way behind..

[muskrat man]

Here's one a few dozen years earlier. 1868-1881 Smith & Wesson Model No.1 3rd variation 7 shot .22 short. Nickel finish with rosewood grips. At at least 131 years old it's tighter and shoots better than most currently manufactured revolving "derringers". The quality of these old guns never cease to amaze me. I need to get better pics of these in my lightbox

[1967redrider]

MM, nice vintage revolver! I'm partial to top-breaks, I just love their sleek styling. But I've never seen a bottom-break like yours before, a 7 shooter too, pretty sweet.