Staglon vs Delrin
Staglon vs Delrin
We all know that Schrade called the faux stag handles made of DuPont Delrin on the Uncle Henrys by their trade name of Staglon.
We also know that the Old Timer handles were called "Saw Cut Delrin", so I was blown away to find an older Schrade flyer (1976) where it referred to the handles of the Old Timers as being made of "Saw Cut Staglon!" If course this is one of those enigmas about Schrade that drive Schrade collectors crazy, they will spend vast sums of money to find the answer to questions such as this one. Fortunately I have copies of most (I think) of the Schrade fliers. I searched forward in time to find the first use of the term "saw cut Delrin" in reference to Old Timer handles.
I found that flyer among those dated 1992, though it was not the earliest flyer issued that year. Some earlier 1992 fliers still list the Old Timer handles as being "Saw Cut Staglon." In my search I found that even the handles of the Open Stock knives were called Staglon prior to 1992.
I am not sure if/when the name was changed in respect to the Openb Stock knives. I will save that for another time.
Staglon is Delrin that had received a dying and molding processes that made them look like stag.
So the big $64,000 question is Why?
Why did Schrade change the name of the handle material of the Old Timers from Staglon to "saw cut Delrin?"
This is an open question to Schrade collectors as I don't have the answer.
We also know that the Old Timer handles were called "Saw Cut Delrin", so I was blown away to find an older Schrade flyer (1976) where it referred to the handles of the Old Timers as being made of "Saw Cut Staglon!" If course this is one of those enigmas about Schrade that drive Schrade collectors crazy, they will spend vast sums of money to find the answer to questions such as this one. Fortunately I have copies of most (I think) of the Schrade fliers. I searched forward in time to find the first use of the term "saw cut Delrin" in reference to Old Timer handles.
I found that flyer among those dated 1992, though it was not the earliest flyer issued that year. Some earlier 1992 fliers still list the Old Timer handles as being "Saw Cut Staglon." In my search I found that even the handles of the Open Stock knives were called Staglon prior to 1992.
I am not sure if/when the name was changed in respect to the Openb Stock knives. I will save that for another time.
Staglon is Delrin that had received a dying and molding processes that made them look like stag.
So the big $64,000 question is Why?
Why did Schrade change the name of the handle material of the Old Timers from Staglon to "saw cut Delrin?"
This is an open question to Schrade collectors as I don't have the answer.
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
Maybe one of Dupont's Lawyers contacted them with a very persuasive suggestion? I'm just going to guess that it had to do with the rights given to companies by Dupont pertaining to how they can and cannot use the Delrin material and exactly what percentage and how much processing must be done to the Delrin before being able to copyright it under a different trade name or something contractual that pertains to the Delrin patents/copyrights/royalties ... Just a guess ... I try to follow straight lines of reason but often they become downward spirals Was there a little symbol next to the word Delrin like TM or any other territorial squirting?
Okay, I just blew up the catalog page and there it was the old circled R letting everyone know that they have registered the Trade Mark and own the Rights to the Delrin Trade Mark. Since I am often wrong in my guessing I will try to pass along some information for those who don't know about Registered Trade Marks so that reading my guess/reply to orvett's topic was not a complete waste of time.
FROM WIKIPEDIA ~The registered trademark symbol, designated by ® (the circled capital letter "R"), is a symbol used to provide notice that the preceding mark is a trademark or service mark that has been registered with a national trademark office.[1][2] In some countries it is against the law to use the registered trademark symbol for a mark that is not officially registered in any country.[1]
Trademarks not officially registered are instead marked with the trademark symbol ™, while unregistered service marks are marked with the service mark symbol ℠. The proper manner to display these symbols is immediately following the mark, and is commonly in superscript style but is not legally required.
Okay, I just blew up the catalog page and there it was the old circled R letting everyone know that they have registered the Trade Mark and own the Rights to the Delrin Trade Mark. Since I am often wrong in my guessing I will try to pass along some information for those who don't know about Registered Trade Marks so that reading my guess/reply to orvett's topic was not a complete waste of time.
FROM WIKIPEDIA ~The registered trademark symbol, designated by ® (the circled capital letter "R"), is a symbol used to provide notice that the preceding mark is a trademark or service mark that has been registered with a national trademark office.[1][2] In some countries it is against the law to use the registered trademark symbol for a mark that is not officially registered in any country.[1]
Trademarks not officially registered are instead marked with the trademark symbol ™, while unregistered service marks are marked with the service mark symbol ℠. The proper manner to display these symbols is immediately following the mark, and is commonly in superscript style but is not legally required.
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
Dale here a Old Timer knife with Staglon handles.
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
Dale I would say they went with Staglon with the Uncle Henry as the handles look like stag and sounds better for a premium line of knives. The Old Timer Delrin as it was a workman knife hard wearing.
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
That sounds more like it shearer... Simply a Schrade Marketing ploy... I was thinking it could have been all about legalities and stuff.... But now I see from your knives packaging that Schrade was pretty darned big on the (R) Registered Trademarks themselves ............ squirt squirt
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
I think you are right Red, I tend to think it was a marketing ploy by Schrade.
Perhaps an attempt to add an perceived element of exclusivity to the Uncle Henry line.
Grant- I think your 3OT is from an early 1992 Schrade promo seen on the flyer below. Nice to find one still in the clampak.
They had multiple hat promos in 1992-1994.
Perhaps an attempt to add an perceived element of exclusivity to the Uncle Henry line.
Grant- I think your 3OT is from an early 1992 Schrade promo seen on the flyer below. Nice to find one still in the clampak.
They had multiple hat promos in 1992-1994.
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Re: Staglon vs Delrin
This is a very old thread, but I might have some insight, although I would have to do more research.
A couple of things.
1. You'll note that most of the older knives, particularly the pocket knives, have the visible striations from the sawe-cut, and are generally very thin, and riveted to the knife liner.
2. The larger, fixed blades with the "Staglon" are much larger, and molded to look like stag.
3. I did a destruction test on a newer model Golden Spike, and as I recall, the handle was not a solid piece, but was mostly hollow, with support posts. And also, the "rivets" were glued on, and the entire handle was glued together on the seam, with the pommel also sewn in.
I woiuld have to dig out the various parts which I saved, but I believe there were holes in the tang with round posts that interconnected from one scale, to the other, through the tang, and were glued.
Point being, the earlier, original handles were likely solid Delrin, saw-cut and riveted (certainly in the pocket knives, and likely on at least some of the older fixed blades). And the newer "Staglon" were molded, and were hollow.
So, essentially, the older stuff was saw-cut into small slabs of the appropriate thickness, and the new stuff was molded, and was mostly hollow to save money.
They are certainly still functional, until the knife is put to hard use, or the handle receives a hard blow, or is used to strike something.
I believe mine broke from excessive leverage while I was striking the blade on the spine of a much tougher, larger knife as hard as I could. I cant' remember which broke first, then handle or the blade, but both broke. And I can't remember what the tang looked like.
I saved the parts as part of my research into knife construction. I'll see if I can find them and confirm.
But the take away is, the "saw-cut Derlin" was a legit product, and the Staglon, was not only fake stag, but a cheap, fake, hollow handle, meant to deceive unwitting consumers into believing they were getting a solidly constructed product, when the were in fact getting cheap "garbage".
Although, as I said, perfectly functional until put to very hard use, which most knives NEVER are. Heck, most people don't even use their knives.
And these handles would serve perfectly well for most use such as camp kitchen use, whittling, light bushcraft, skinning, and butchering an animal, etc. Just don't use them for chopping, batoning, throwing, pounding, hammering, etc.,.
But hey, what do you expect for the price?
Hope that helps. Any additional input is appreciated.
A couple of things.
1. You'll note that most of the older knives, particularly the pocket knives, have the visible striations from the sawe-cut, and are generally very thin, and riveted to the knife liner.
2. The larger, fixed blades with the "Staglon" are much larger, and molded to look like stag.
3. I did a destruction test on a newer model Golden Spike, and as I recall, the handle was not a solid piece, but was mostly hollow, with support posts. And also, the "rivets" were glued on, and the entire handle was glued together on the seam, with the pommel also sewn in.
I woiuld have to dig out the various parts which I saved, but I believe there were holes in the tang with round posts that interconnected from one scale, to the other, through the tang, and were glued.
Point being, the earlier, original handles were likely solid Delrin, saw-cut and riveted (certainly in the pocket knives, and likely on at least some of the older fixed blades). And the newer "Staglon" were molded, and were hollow.
So, essentially, the older stuff was saw-cut into small slabs of the appropriate thickness, and the new stuff was molded, and was mostly hollow to save money.
They are certainly still functional, until the knife is put to hard use, or the handle receives a hard blow, or is used to strike something.
I believe mine broke from excessive leverage while I was striking the blade on the spine of a much tougher, larger knife as hard as I could. I cant' remember which broke first, then handle or the blade, but both broke. And I can't remember what the tang looked like.
I saved the parts as part of my research into knife construction. I'll see if I can find them and confirm.
But the take away is, the "saw-cut Derlin" was a legit product, and the Staglon, was not only fake stag, but a cheap, fake, hollow handle, meant to deceive unwitting consumers into believing they were getting a solidly constructed product, when the were in fact getting cheap "garbage".
Although, as I said, perfectly functional until put to very hard use, which most knives NEVER are. Heck, most people don't even use their knives.
And these handles would serve perfectly well for most use such as camp kitchen use, whittling, light bushcraft, skinning, and butchering an animal, etc. Just don't use them for chopping, batoning, throwing, pounding, hammering, etc.,.
But hey, what do you expect for the price?
Hope that helps. Any additional input is appreciated.
Re: Staglon vs Delrin
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