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Sorry I can't give you any thoughts on the Nosler Partition bullet but I can tell you about the Rem. Core-lokt 100gr. in .243. As you probably know, the .243 is a tad less than the 25/06 ballistics , but fairly close in comparison. If the bullet is in the right place, they'll drop on their nose every time, just like on the hunting shows :wink: , if you shoot 'em through the lungs they usually run, just like you described. Considering the cost, I would still go with the 100gr. Core-lokt in factory ammo and consider shot placement over everything else ::tu:: . Now if y'all are hunting with dogs you might look at it a little differently. Just my opinion :), Sir.
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Up in the stand right now, hunting with this Browning 308 WIN; it's loaded with a factory round using 150 grain Hornady Interlock bullets. I've used Interlock's in various cartridges for years with 100% satisfaction. The Nosler Partition was one of the first premium grade bullets and is highly regarded; I think of them as being elk, moose, big bear bullets - more than I need for deer or black bear, but excellent nonetheless. As was previously stated, shot placement is everything. Good hunting, OH
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The bullets I bought were Federal Premium Vital Shok (115gr. Nosler Partition)---- just wanted a little advantage for the 25-06***

The small 4pt.buck,I shot first, was with a 270 Winchester, 130gr. Winchester Silver Tips (he was walking)----the doe, I shot with the Rem.25-06 & 100gr.Core-Lok ( standing still, eating )----- both were middle lung shots (behind the front shoulder) @ about 70 yds ::dang:: ----- I'm really thinking that,had I placed either or both shots closer to the top of the front leg leg (more ""heart area" ) would have been better results __ I didn't have time on the walking deer,but could have on the doe ::dang:: --- I have not deer hunted ,since back in the 70's ( I was in my 20's ) and lack of knowledge was my first mistake ::dang:: ---- I have read tons of articles,the last week or so,and I think,I'm just as confused as ever ::shrug:: :mrgreen: --- thanks for sharin' any & all info !!!!!____________Monk ::tu::
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I'm not a 25-06 fan, but I've seen a number of them used. The Noslers are OK--I've seen them do very well on caribou, mule deer, etc. If I were shooting one load for all-around use in the 25-06, it would have Nosler Partitions. The bullet might be a bit heavily-constructed for the whitetails there in SC, but it is probably a better choice than the 100 grain Core-lokt. Burn up one box sighting it in/practicing, and you should be good.

A friend of mine is a big fan of the .25-06 for deer; he and his son-in-law have taken at least 20 with it. Their preferred bullet is the 117 SST from Hornady. Every few years I hear that a deer took a few steps after being hit, but most of the time they are dead right there.

But deer often run after being hit. The first time I saw this, I hit a muley with a .270 at about 100 yards. The deer bolted, going almost 150 yards before dropping. Very disappointing for 14-year-old me. When I field dressed it, I found that the bullet expanded well and took out both lungs and the bottom of the heart! For years after that, I went with the Keith approach of bigger bores, heavy bullets, and took shots intended to stop the animal regardless of tissue damage.

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Our deer here in Alaska are on the small side, but we end up hunting in a lot of areas where there are Brown Bear. Of course anyone with much sense carries a large caliber on those hunts. I take my .300 Win Mag and usually try for a neck shot if possible.....even a smaller grain bullet in a .300WM can destroy the front half of these little deer. As far as them running after they are hit with .338/.300.....no chance, they will back flip and land a few feet away though..... :lol:

Monk, I am a huge fan of the .25-06 for medium sized game....great choice, it's my Brothers favorite caliber.
Funny that you were onto the SilverTips, I know you like your knives shiny.......so I guess it figures. ::nod::

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Though the ballistics of the 25 06 are fast and flat shooting, they tend to not have the energy of my 30 06 cartridge. My choice has always been a bolt action 30 06 or 308 caliber for white tail, antelope,bear...The 30 06 has such a wide range of ballistics for long range or short range hunting.
I shot my first Antelope at 300 yards with a Winchester model 100 .243 cal and it dropped in its tracks.
I also use a Winchester .270 for distance shooting.

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Monk, that drawing of the deer is great for us all to remind ourselves as to where to shoot Bambi. As a young feller, we were told to imagine a basketball inside the deer and try to hit it, logic was center hit got the lungs, a little low busts the heart and little high got the spine. Dog hunting was the norm in Florida 50 years ago and and it was hit or miss or hit in some strange places. Gave up the dogs years ago and now only stand hunt and the high shoulder shot anchors them almost every time, plus you don't mess up the heart which is a real delightful, delicious, delicacy at our house :D !
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Monk, I am a huge fan of the .25-06 for medium sized game....great choice, it's my Brothers favorite caliber.
Funny that you were onto the SilverTips, I know you like your knives shiny.......so I guess it figures. ::nod::

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Back in the 70's-- I was hunting with a Ruger 44Mag. Carbine--- and like your 300,they flipped and fell !!!! (wish I had that lil' rifle back :) )___The area I am hunting is thick & wooded ---- about 100 yds, would be my longest shot (most inside of that**) ---- I have my ground blind set up in the pines,close to some acorn trees--with cleared shooting lanes -- watching walking paths, rut scrapes @ 60 yds, and have corn baited,at several different spots --- also have some ""peanut butter"" for em' to lick, on a few logs !!!! (they love it !!!!) ----- not having a problem with getting them around my area ---- would just love for em' to drop,when I shoot :) _____________________ more practice ???--better aim ???-- I think that is my answer :) --again,thanks guys for all your answers & help, Monk ::tu::
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treefarmer wrote:Monk, that drawing of the deer is great for us all to remind ourselves as to where to shoot Bambi. As a young feller, we were told to imagine a basketball inside the deer and try to hit it, logic was center hit got the lungs, a little low busts the heart and little high got the spine. Dog hunting was the norm in Florida 50 years ago and and it was hit or miss or hit in some strange places. Gave up the dogs years ago and now only stand hunt and the high shoulder shot anchors them almost every time, plus you don't mess up the heart which is a real delightful, delicious, delicacy at our house :D !
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Hey TF ____ I was reading about the ""Double-Shoulder Shot"" a few minutes ago ---- one of the favorite ""kill spots"" of the herd thinners, ---- 308. cal. round, entering one shoulder blade on one side.slaming through the body,and into the far shoulder blade ( spine snapping & dropping in tracks**) ----- LINK BELOW*****_________after all is said and done,the best %%%%% shot is the ""Boiler Room Shot"" ( I Think ?????? ::shrug:: ) :)

I am wanting to try some "" Smoked Deer Link Sausage"" that one of the processors makes around here---- some of the guys say, it's really tasty**

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A friend called me last night***** ::hmm:: with an offer,I couldn't refuse ::shrug::

Got these three pistols at ""Black Friday Deal Prices""____now what tha' heck am I gona' do with all of um' ???? ::dang:: ::woot:: ::woot::

Ruger P-85 MKII,9mm ----- Ruger LCP 380 ----- Smith & Wesson M&P 22LR
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That must have been some great deal Monk.
You have a wide range of shooting choices.....if ammo is available !

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Well the P-85 is an oldie but a goodie. The 380 looks like it would be mighty handy and convenient, even to just slip in your pocket while you are around the house. With the price of ammo being what it is a .22 is highly practical for keeping one's hand in without breaking the bank. All in all,
I think you have a fine, practical selection there. Congrats!
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big monk wrote:A friend called me last night***** ::hmm:: with an offer,I couldn't refuse ::shrug::

Got these three pistols at ""Black Friday Deal Prices""____now what tha' heck am I gona' do with all of um' ???? ::dang:: ::woot:: ::woot::

Ruger P-85 MKII,9mm ----- Ruger LCP 380 ----- Smith & Wesson M&P 22LR
Camillus and Quick Steel are right on! Nice pickups Monk! Real nice guns! I am a diverse ammo/caliber gun owner as you never know what will be available. Yet to pickup a .380 or .22 handgun but I will. Whatever the gun/caliber, it is a large paper weight or awkward club without ammo! My 2 cents.

My birthday was last week end and the wife spoiled me royally. New Doc Martin boots, all sorts of winter hunting clothes, holster for the S&W Govenor "Hand Shotgun", ammo for the 30-06, Compass, Garmin eTrex 20 GPS, etc, etc.

The icing on the cake is the DPMS ORACLE AR-10 in WIN .308 I pick up on Friday, assuming she is in good shape after inspection. Fills the "400 to 800 yard reach out and touch someone" niche in my collection, assuming the right optics and operator skill.

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Thanks Guys !!!!!_____________ I picked up some ammo from him too !!!!!!!!!! ::tu::
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My birthday was last week end and the wife spoiled me royally.
Golly Jerry. Never mind the guns and stuff. What a wife you have! :)
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Yes Sir Garry my friend! I have a wonderful, thoughtful and caring wife, regardless of what she buys for my birthday or not. Some pretty nice gifts that I wanted though that she remembered from months back conversations...

She is a looker to boot and loves to fish as I do. She has no issue with baiting her own live bait or cleaning the day's catch either! We have our scrapes like anyone else but for the most part, she is definitely my "better half".

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It's pretty special when the wife is also a best friend!
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Good wives and good guns are hard to find (guns are easier) - glad you gents have found both. In spite of blue bird weather, I had a couple of good days duck hunting earlier this week, limits both Monday and Tuesday (and they feed you good there too!) I was using a NOS 1992 Browning Auto-5 Magnum Invector I bought two years ago (first trip for it) - a shotgun my wife urged me to get, as I had wanted a Magnum A-5 for years to pair with my old Belgian Auto-5 16 gauge (the new one is a keeper too, just like my wife). OH
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Looks like a fun trip OH.

What kind of duck you got there? 1 or 2 look like Mallards but not sure about the others. Are they some type of diving duck?
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Bruce___looks like a ""FUN TRIP"" !!!!! Good friends,good hunting & good food !!!!!!!!!_____that's what it's all about !!!!__thanks for sharin' ::tu:: ::tu::
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Hey All,

Anyone seen this AR trigger? My buddy just ordered one so I will check it out when he gets it. He is much more knowledgeable than I (and most people) on the AR platform, so if he is willing to drop 500 bucks on a trigger, I may be onboard but I have to see/test his first. He has tried and tested all the slide stocks and springs and such to emulate this before but he seems mighty interested to drop 500 bucks on it and that is not chump change for most anybody. Wife asked why I would want that and I responded, "God forbid I ever need something like that, but I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it".

It is a "3rd mode trigger" as the company calls it. There is an ATF approval letter on their website also. Basically a fast reset trigger as close to full auto is you will get. It is a drop in AR trigger with a new selector switch. 9 o'clock = SAFE, 12 o'clock is normal semi auto and the grand enchilada at 3 o'clock is "3rd mode", as close to full auto as you will get without an FFL 3 license (I believe). Their website does not mention it, probably to keep the politicians at bay, but I believe from what I have read and heard we are talking 5 to 7 rounds a second. Also heard, 650 rounds per minute assuming your magizine is that big and your barrel does not melt. I am sure it takes a knack to get used to it. Reminds me of the paintball gun "reactive triggers". If they work as adverstised and someone wants one, I would get one quick before they possibly get banned.

Anyway, it is a 2 minute video (and a cool one at that in my opinion). Check it out. If anyone knows anything , please let me know. I will update when my buddy gets his.

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Jerry and Monk - it was a great trip, lots of fun, food, and fellowship and plenty of action too. Jerry, those are mostly Ruddy Ducks, they fly low and fast over the water - make for some challenging gunning and they will show the world your gunning sins as the shot pattern hits the water (usually a few feet behind them!!) I am getting ready to put a duck stew together in the crock pot to feed the family tonight, the Ruddy's are good table fare too. I also had a Bufflehead in the game-bag and some Redheads the second morning, there is also one Mallard in the big pile (the orange legs).

As to the $500.00 trigger; I suppose to each his own - I've always been a believer in disciplined (aimed) fire - however having crew served weapons available certainly assists in that - something civilians don't have access to. OH
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Old Hunter wrote: - I've always been a believer in disciplined (aimed) fire - however having crew served weapons available certainly assists in that - something civilians don't have access to. OH
I've never been there, but fellas I've talked to who have, tell me there's a lot of "spray & pray" going on in the heat of it. Most times I'm thankful I never had to find out first hand.
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Old Hunter wrote:Jerry and Monk - it was a great trip, lots of fun, food, and fellowship and plenty of action too. Jerry, those are mostly Ruddy Ducks, they fly low and fast over the water - make for some challenging gunning and they will show the world your gunning sins as the shot pattern hits the water (usually a few feet behind them!!) I am getting ready to put a duck stew together in the crock pot to feed the family tonight, the Ruddy's are good table fare too. I also had a Bufflehead in the game-bag and some Redheads the second morning, there is also one Mallard in the big pile (the orange legs).

As to the $500.00 trigger; I suppose to each his own - I've always been a believer in disciplined (aimed) fire - however having crew served weapons available certainly assists in that - something civilians don't have access to. OH
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A game warden here said we were not allowed to shoot the Ruddys. ::shrug::
He said the best way to punish a person for shooting one, was to make them eat it!
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