Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[jerryd6818]

Good to know T.J. Now I don't have to be fussy when buying ammo.

Holy catfish!!!! The MSRP on those is $909.00?? Zowee Manfred. I could have bought two for what I paid for mine and still had enough left for a Big Mac and a Great Eastern.

[tjmurphy]

Yeh, I know. Can't remember what I paid for mine last year but it was WAY under that price. $500-$600 IIRC.

Like OH said, not all year/models would accept both rounds. I would shoot an email to Ruger and ask the question before I used the 5.56mm. I would guess, though, that 2009 is probably new enough.

I found a pic of one of the first Ranch Rifles that Ruger sold and it was stamped .222!

[big monk]

Yesterday,my son and I spent the day,at a local Gun & Knife Show (Greenville)___ran into ""Rangerbluedog" (AKA Ricky) enjoyed the chat __and a few more friends** there was a good crowd,not many knife dealers ( lots of guns & ammo )___ seemed like all the knife dealers,had a crowd looking over their wares ??? and I decided,this show, to "'LOOK"" instead of ""SELL"" ____any ways,I didn't find a knife,that ""caught my eye"" --- but we did find a few guns,to spend our (my**) money on ___we bought three,but the favorite son took one home,with him __ 1976 Remington 700 ADL,30-06 _____ so no pictures of that one (really nice gun**) ________ brought two, home with me___ I was looking for a 270. cal Browning A-Bolt ____ but when a guy walked by us,as we were standing in line to get inside ,with the Browning BBR, Redfield Wide View Scope, 7mm.mag, hangin' on his sjoulder I had to ask,if he was selling ??______yes he was__and yes I did !!!!!! This one was,only made a few years 1978-1984 (in Japan ) _this is the model rifle, that Weatherby ""sued Browning"" over design patent rights !!! (does look like a Weatherby **)__ it is a 1980 ,according to date codes and absolutley beautiful ** These rifles, did not come with "iron sights" from factory,but whoever owned it before me, had them installed**_____ near the end of our day,we found the Winchester Model 1400 MKII,12 ga. shotgun__with extra barrell,hard case & floresent site (installed by gunsmith )___offered low and got accepted !!!! _______ had a good day,and even had enough $$$$$ left, to buy lunch ____Monk

[rangerbluedog]

Nice score! I enjoyed talking with you yesterday Big Monk! I didn't buy any guns this weekend, but I did sell a couple. The Hubertus did not come home with me, but a little stag handled Boker razor jack made its way in my pocket today.
I'll post some pics later tonight.

[Old Hunter]

Monk, those two long guns look brand new - the Winchester must be close to 50 years old and is mint! Nice scores. OH

[big monk]

Thanks Bruce***___ I have the Winchester dated to years____ 1968-1973 _____ both guns grade around 95% ----- don't look to be used much*** Sometimes you get ""LUCKY""

[big monk]

We had ( 6 ) inches of snow,the last couple days,keeping us inside**** (first venture out of the house today) and I found this Ruger American 270.cal rifle !!!!!!! __Ruger has been making these a couple of years __ good price,but the biggest selling point was ___ """ made 100% in the U.S.A.----even the springs & screws""" ____ nothing fancy, just a well made gun,by a well known company, with great reveiws !!! Anyone have one,they have used ???__ will be a few days,till I get to the range****____Monk

[rangerbluedog]

Nice Ruger, BigMonk. You just have to root for those guys. Great guns, made in the USA, and the best price available on a U.S. made firearm.

[RobesonsRme.com]

After I returned from Viet Nam and was in school, Sarah and I were living on GI Bill benefits and her meager salary as a secretary.

We didn't have much.

But, we loved to shop in antiques stores and generally bought well made old stuff as opposed to new.

One day while shopping in an antiques shop, I came across a very well-made full-stocked military style rifle that turned out to be an air rifle that looked and felt very much like a Mauser.

It was activated by a normal appearing bolt action mechanism that cocked a spring loaded piston/air-chamber apparatus and simultaneously dropped a "BB" into the chamber from a reservoir on top of the receiver.

The asking price was $100.00.

Now, a hundred bucks in 1971 was a lot of money and Sarah, of course, had zero appreciation for the rifle I was holding and reluctant to put down.

Of course, I didn't buy it and I've always regretted it.

I got to thinking about that rifle today after reading a discussion on large bore air guns on another site.

So, I did a Google image search until I found what I had seen all those years ago.

It was a Czech made VZ-35 military training rifle. Apparently, following WWI, limits were placed on what certain European countries could do re' armaments. Hence air rifles for training purposes.

The rifle weighed 9.5lbs.

The metal parts were machined, polished and nicely blued.

It would accept the standard bayonet for the Mauser rifle.

They made a second version, the VZ-47, but it was made from pressed parts, weighed less and was of lesser quality.

Here are some pics of the VZ-35. The rifle in the first four photos is missing the top portion of the wood fore-end.

These sell for six to twelve hundred dollars, depending on condition.

I think I should have bought the one in 1971.

Charlie Noyes

[zp4ja]

Nice Monk!

Charlie, extremely cool post and very informative. Love to have one of those just for fun.

Anyone else mark their magazines for the semi auto guns? Or otherwise make note of when they were loaded?

I mark mine with a label maker so they are clearly visible so I maintain a magazine rotation so the springs don't get weak. I also rarely load to full capacity, normally 2/3 total capacity when they are stored and not at the range. Why do I keep some 2/3 loaded? Just in case! I also leave the label on until the next time I reload it so I can rotate them accordingly and not load up one I used the time before last.

I usually rotate my magazines every 3 months. On guns that take 2 calibers, I also mark the magazine with the caliber also. As shown in the pic of 3 of the 7 AR-15 mags I have. My semi auto handguns I normally just rotate out the first of each month since a sticker is not pratical when you carry them quite a bit.

Anyone else do this? Do you rotate your magazines? If so, how often do you do so and what is your system to remind yourself.

Jerry

[Quick Steel]

I used to rotate magazines until I read a lengthy article by a metallurgist. With much technical data that was beyond my grasp he explained that keeping the magazine spring depressed with ammo does not at all weaken it. Not even over decades.

What would cause metal fatigue is the repeated application and then release of the spring tension. But given a decent spring it would take far more cycling of the spring to weaken it than is likely in normal circumstances.

[zp4ja]

I used to rotate magazines until I read a lengthy article by a metallurgist. With much technical data that was beyond my grasp he explained that keeping the magazine spring depressed with ammo does not at all weaken it. Not even over decades.

What would cause metal fatigue is the repeated application and then release of the spring tension. But given a decent spring it would take far more cycling of the spring to weaken it than is likely in normal circumstances.

Thanks for the reply Garry! I was always taught that a spring is a spring, although I do not doubt what you are are saying. I guess the metal composition of the spring may affect this conversation. Just have gotten used to doing so and I don't think it is detrimental. I guess my rotation also prompts me to clean my guns also, although I carry or handle them daily.

Glad to hear a reply like this. I think it is a interesting question myself.

Regards, Jerry

[Unk]

I don't rotate my magazines - but then I don't shoot the AR very often. It's not my home defense weapon, so I leave the mags empty unless I'm going to the range.

I took my daughter to shoot sporting clays on Friday - she had never shot a shotgun before. We stepped up to the first station and she yelled pull! - and she then proceeded to bust the first clay. Not bad for her first shot. Her brother had broken his first clay on his first shot with the same shotgun a couple of years ago. I thought that was pretty cool. It's a 1967 Browning A5 Magnum 20 ga. given to my son by his Grandpa.

[Quick Steel]

Glad to hear a reply like this. I think it is a interesting question myself.

Jerry: I'll bet that most shooters, like you and me, learned to rotate our magazines so the springs wouldn't weaken or "set."

I wish I could recall the magazine that published the article so I might retrieve it. But it was too many years ago (10?). It certainly stuck in my mind as it was so different from what I had learned. In any event I find myself shooting my revolvers more often than the semi-autos. Ironically I shoot the pistols better than the revolvers but enjoy the revolvers more.

[Unk]

I was finally able to solve a perplexing problem a few months ago, and thought I would pass it along. I have Browning Challenger II .22 made in 1977 my father in law gave me (see pic) and it appears to be in very good shape - barely used. Every time I shot it, it would jam. I cleaned it, oiled it, cleaned it again - over and over again, etc, etc. I tried it dry, then lubed up. I tried different ammo, bought some new magazines, etc. But I never could get it to cycle more than 1 or 2 rounds without jamming.

I finally read an article on the web that some .22 pistols needed a little more kick to cycle the slide, and so I bought some high velocity .22 rounds (Aguila .22 Interceptor) - they are 1470 fps. I had been using mostly Winchester Wildcat that were 1255 fps.

The high velocity rounds cured the problem. I have had it to the range several times since, and it eats the HV rounds like candy. It sure is nice to be able to finally shoot this sweet little pistol.

[zp4ja]

Very Nice pistol you have there Unk! Great shape and a pleasure to shoot I am sure. I think that is great that your daughter went out for sporting clays with you. And of course your son also. Good time out with the kids and they are learning how to handle guns, which God forbid I say in this crazy soceity, is an important lesson. Keep up the good work. Sounds like a sweet shotgun, please post a pic.

Regards, Jerry

[Unk]

Here you go, Jerry - here's the shotgun and the daughter. The shotgun is a Belgian Browning and had a fixed full choke barrel, so I bought an extra barrel - Japanese-made with Invector choke - to make it a little more user-friendly.

I noticed in the picture of my daughter...... the bolt is open = good.......finger on the trigger = bad. I had to point that out to her.

[zp4ja]

Sorry for the delayed respone Unk. Looks like a great time and good mentoring you are doing. I have a Browning Gold Hunter that is my all around bird gun I will have to take pics of and post at some point.

A couple of pics of a couple of my office shelves. The pics with the ammo is right over the top of of my computer at the base of my lamp. I enjoy looking at this and it keep me sharp as far as knowing caliber by sight rather than looking at the stamp on the cartridge. OK, I just enjoy looking at it! Mainly common calibers with some projectile variations of guns I own. The second pic is my cartridge collection with lots of odd ball calibers in it and some other gun related display stuff. I enjoy the office quite a bit!!!

Regards, Jerry

[Quick Steel]

Very nice displays. Thanks for sharing them.

[zp4ja]

Thanks Garry. I hope life finds you well my friend!

Regards, Jerry

[rangerbluedog]

OK Jerry, I have to try:
Starting at the bottom row, left to right:
9mm, 9mm, ,.38, .38, .357, .40 dummy round, .40, .40, .45, .45, .44
5.56/.223, 5.56/.223, .270, .308, .30-06, 410, 410, 410, 12

How'd I do?


<edit> I'll bet I was wrong on the .270 - probably a .243….

[Miller Bro's]

Nice stuff Jerry!

[knife7knut]

Unk:I had a similar problem with a Ruger MkI that had a 6" bull barrel.Every time I took it to the range it would fire two or three rounds and then "stovepipe" one or two. Sent it back to Ruger and they did a complete check and returned it(at no charge)stating that they could find nothing wrong with it.They asked what type of ammo I was using(I was using Federal at the time).They suggested an ammo change as they had reports that Federal ammo was a tiny bit shorter than other makes which caused the stovepiping.I did as they suggested and never had a problem afterward.Proper length is very critical in an automatic pistol I learned which is why some reloaders experience this phenomenon.Cutting a case a bit short or putting a bullet in slightly too far will wreak havoc with a pistol.

I was finally able to solve a perplexing problem a few months ago, and thought I would pass it along. I have Browning Challenger II .22 made in 1977 my father in law gave me (see pic) and it appears to be in very good shape - barely used. Every time I shot it, it would jam. I cleaned it, oiled it, cleaned it again - over and over again, etc, etc. I tried it dry, then lubed up. I tried different ammo, bought some new magazines, etc. But I never could get it to cycle more than 1 or 2 rounds without jamming.

I finally read an article on the web that some .22 pistols needed a little more kick to cycle the slide, and so I bought some high velocity .22 rounds (Aguila .22 Interceptor) - they are 1470 fps. I had been using mostly Winchester Wildcat that were 1255 fps.

The high velocity rounds cured the problem. I have had it to the range several times since, and it eats the HV rounds like candy. It sure is nice to be able to finally shoot this sweet little pistol.

[zp4ja]

Thanks MB!

Good job Blue! How many grains each?

Just kidding. You did very well. I love looking up and seeing those as I work from home most of the time.

Great edit as that is in fact a .243 on top, third from left. Bottom row far right is actually a .45 Long Colt "Cowboy" 250 grain lead flat nose. The .40 cal dummy round is actually a .40 cal "Snake Round" filled with lots of #11 snakeshot/birdshot/never dig any of them out of you face or eyes intruder shot. Nasty little round and not cheap.
One magazine on my SIG Pro 2340 .40 cal has this loaded for the first 3 rounds.
Another pic top view. Some hollow points thrown in the mix. The second .38 is a "+P" hollow point but no way you could tell that from the pic.
That black .410 round is a nasty bastard. From left to right, .410 #4 shot, .410 000 Triple Ought Buckshot 4 pellets and the Winchester PDX1 410 Defender. That round has three .410 "Discs" followed up with 12 plated BBs. Reminiscent of the old days when they use fill 12 gauge shell with dimes, as the story goes. See the attached pic of a target at 21 feet, rapid fire with 3 shots each of the .410 000 Triple Ought Buckshot 4 pellets and the Winchester PDX1 410 Defender. Some devastating rounds at close range. All shot from my S&W Governor.

As you probably know, the Governor shoots .410, 45 Long Colt and .45 Auto using moon clips. I like the fact the gun is able to handle 3 types of ammo personally. I have to say, with a 2 inch barrel and small grip, shooting any of those rounds, especially the.410 and .45 LC, the shooter best hang on and expect some wrist exercise. I normally carry the Governor as a backup crossdraw sidearm when I am out in the wild country for snakes and in case I run into a pack of feral previously domesticated wild dogs we have around here. Never personally seen one but others have and it ruined more than their day, let's say.

The Governor I have also came with a Crimson Trace Integrated grip laser sight. The on/off switch is on the grip butt and recessed and the laser button is on finger grip, middle finger activated with just slight pressure. Actually work well as far as function. A bit much for a hand shotgun but hey, a red dot on your chest makes you rethink the path you are walking down and what waits at the end. I already posted the gun so forgive me but I attached another pic with some of my knife EDCs.

Regards, Jerry

[jbsquared]

Here is my newest investment. I got to shoot it for the first time during my CCW class. I shot 200 rounds through it without a a single hiccup. I made the right choice IMHO. I can't wait to get out do some more target practice and to get my permit so I carry it. It is a Taurus PT111 G2 9mm.