Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[jerryd6818]

I understand that. It was just a relevant comment. (or at least, I thought it was relevant)

[mikek]

.......been shooting my new henry's(.22 & .44-40) a lot lately, and I have trouble seeing the front sights clearly on a sunny day??.....painted a white dot on the tip of the sights and this helped, but I think the main problem is the sun reflecting off the shiny barrel tops??...anyone else have this problem or am I looking for excuses for my 78 yr. old eyeballs???.......... ...........

Google Birchwood Casey's. "Sight Black" should solve your glare issue. We used it all the time in bullseye shooting, works well. I once put camo tape on a shotgun for spring gobbler season. I will never, ever do that again. Mike

[zp4ja]

.......been shooting my new henry's(.22 & .44-40) a lot lately, and I have trouble seeing the front sights clearly on a sunny day??.....painted a white dot on the tip of the sights and this helped, but I think the main problem is the sun reflecting off the shiny barrel tops??...anyone else have this problem or am I looking for excuses for my 78 yr. old eyeballs???.......... ...........

Google Birchwood Casey's. "Sight Black" should solve your glare issue. We used it all the time in bullseye shooting, works well. I once put camo tape on a shotgun for spring gobbler season. I will never, ever do that again. Mike

Great suggestion Mike! What happened with the camo tape? Sounds if if the outcome was no good. I was reading also about soot use from carbide lamps. Very interesting as I never heard of it. Applying tape, no residue or not just sounds like a bad idea as no idea as to what the tape uses to stick and possible reaction to blueing, short or long term. Just my opinion. Just hate to see or hear of a rifle or handgun ruined when there are other proven options besides tape.

Jerry

[zp4ja]

Spent most of the day looking at some long range rifles. By long range, I mean 1000 plus yards. Out to 1 mile or more if you are good enough.

I may very well be past my prime age wise to even go there. Last weekend, I hit 8 of 10 on a 12" steel plate 400 yards at the local range. Pretty happy with that. That is a fairly long distance and I wave around (meaning aim is on and off of target then I pull) abit and shoot. I never seem to be able to lock on target and make minor adjustment but I do pretty good. At a longer range, that worsens accuracy of course. The DPMS Oracle I shoot a non high end AR-10 .308 but I must have gotten a good one. Cost about $1000 but I am happy with it. In a "lead sled" will shoot very accurately. Basically, as accurate as the guy on the trigger.

Any of you guys shot long range as in 600 to 1000 yards or beyond? There is a 600 yard and 1200 range about 100+ miles away but I also have SAFE access to try some long range stuff in the desert real close by.

Certainly no a rich boy and these are very expensive to buy, let alone the 4 to 7 buck per shot cost or ammo dependent on caliber.

Just they only item on my "bucket list' at the moment. Shoot a big gun at long range.

Anyone done this? Here is a Barrett for you.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =480262254

Jerry

[jerryd6818]

Shot 500 yards with 7.62x51mm (.308) from the prone position & open sights.

[zp4ja]

Shot 500 yards with 7.62x51mm (.308) from the prone position & open sights.

Thanks for the response JerryD! That is a long piece with iron sights, in my opinion.

Got any old pics or more detail of the experience? Maybe I can live my dream vicariously for now!

Regards, Jerry

[mikek]

.......been shooting my new henry's(.22 & .44-40) a lot lately, and I have trouble seeing the front sights clearly on a sunny day??.....painted a white dot on the tip of the sights and this helped, but I think the main problem is the sun reflecting off the shiny barrel tops??...anyone else have this problem or am I looking for excuses for my 78 yr. old eyeballs???.......... ...........

Google Birchwood Casey's. "Sight Black" should solve your glare issue. We used it all the time in bullseye shooting, works well. I once put camo tape on a shotgun for spring gobbler season. I will never, ever do that again. Mike

Jerry, the problem was the glue left after removing the tape. This was about 20 years ago. Iam sure there are better tapes on the market now but the time and lighter fluid it took to remove it was a job. Mike

[treefarmer]

Y'all are stirrin' the old memory bank. A carbide lamp was used to blacken the front sight on our rifles.
I don't remember the diameter of the bull at 500 yards, but once you had the right dope on that M-14, that was really the easiest shooting on the range. Prone is rock solid compared to the other positions at lesser distances.
Y'all remember "Maggie's Drawers" and pulling the butts? That was over 50 years ago at that summer resort know as Parris Island .
Treefarmer

[carrmillus]

...this chalkboard tape works great..peels right off and leaves no residue!!!...back to "lead mountain"!!!.......... ...........

[jerryd6818]

Y'all are stirrin' the old memory bank. A carbide lamp was used to blacken the front sight on our rifles.
I don't remember the diameter of the bull at 500 yards, but once you had the right dope on that M-14, that was really the easiest shooting on the range. Prone is rock solid compared to the other positions at lesser distances.
Y'all remember "Maggie's Drawers" and pulling the butts? That was over 50 years ago at that summer resort know as Parris Island .
Treefarmer

I know you won't believe me Phil but I remember all this stuff.
Possible total of 250 points.

200 yd line
10 rounds slow fire from the offhand position.
10 rounds rapid fire (two magazines - 5 rounds each) from the sitting position D target.

300 yd line
5 rounds slow fire from the sitting position.
5 rounds slow fire from the kneeling position.
10 rounds rapid fire (two magazines - 5 rounds each) from the prone position.

500 yd line
10 rounds slow fire from the prone position.

[carrmillus]

Y'all are stirrin' the old memory bank. A carbide lamp was used to blacken the front sight on our rifles.
I don't remember the diameter of the bull at 500 yards, but once you had the right dope on that M-14, that was really the easiest shooting on the range. Prone is rock solid compared to the other positions at lesser distances.
Y'all remember "Maggie's Drawers" and pulling the butts? That was over 50 years ago at that summer resort know as Parris Island .
Treefarmer

....in my case it was an M1, 47 yrs. ago and ft. Jackson, s.c.!!!......... ............

[carrmillus]

.....another brain malfunction!!....it was 57 yrs. ago!!!!................ ..............

[jerryd6818]

For me, it will be 53 years ago come August (I turned 18yo at the rifle range) at Camp Matthews just north of MCRD San Diego. In the late summer of 1964 the base was decommissioned and transferred to the University of California to be part of the new University of California, San Diego (UCSD) campus. Edson Range on Camp Pendleton took it's place.

[Old Hunter]

D-18-5, Fort Knox KY, JUL-NOV 1973. M16A1 - I'm just a kid! OH

[jerryd6818]

Ahh, yes. McNamara's Anti-Rodent Rifle.

[carrmillus]

........... .....I had never heard it called that,jerry!!!!..priceless!!!!........... ..........

[ken98k]

Shot 500 yards with 7.62x51mm (.308) from the prone position & open sights.

When I was on the Ft Knox rifle team we shot 600 meters with m16a1 from the prone with open sights. I can't even see 600 meters these days.

[jerryd6818]

Shot 500 yards with 7.62x51mm (.308) from the prone position & open sights.

When I was on the Ft Knox rifle team we shot 600 meters with m16a1 from the prone with open sights. I can't even see 600 meters these days.

That's a looong way for a .22 rifle. We'll be forever as good as we once was (in our mind).

[zp4ja]

Great replies. What constitutes the difference between slow and rapid fire? How much time between shots if that is deciding factor?

Thanks, Jerry

[Mumbleypeg]

Jerry, one of the military vets will have to confirm for that definition but in civilian match shooting terms, as best I can recall rapid fire is 10 rounds fired within one minute. There is no specified time between, just have to get off 10 within one minute. Of course, your shots are scored for accuracy so you've got to take the time to aim. Not sure about the term "slow fire" but the term "precision fire" means 10 rounds fired within 10 minutes. Been a long time since I've done that kind of shooting but that's what I remember. My memory isn't what it used to be (my wife will say it never was)!

Ken

Edit: Google "NRA Match Rules" for better explanation than mine. There is a "slow fire" definition, which is the same as what I was recalling as precision fire. Otherwise what I recalled is pretty much correct, at least for high power rifles. However at 600 yards for slow fire you're allowed up to 90 seconds between shots.

[jerryd6818]

I don't recall a time limit on "slow fire" or the limit for "rapid fire" so I called a guy I went through boot camp with whose memory is better than mine. He didn't recall a time limit on the "slow fire" either or if there was what it was. We agreed that if there was one, it was plenty of time to send your ten rounds down range. We both recall a time limit for "rapid fire" but not what it was.

For the "slow fire" we loaded one round at a time but for "rapid fire", as I stated before, we had two magazines each loaded with five rounds. All this predicated on the weapon being the M-14. The M-1 "rapid fire" was done differently.

[zp4ja]

Thanks for the replies JerryD and Ken.

No offense to anyone and considering open sights, 1 shot per 6 seconds for rapid fire is not easy to get accurate depending on weapon, target size (I dont always use a range appropriate target), range and conditions but I thought it would be a much shorter duration.

Good to know. Thanks again for the info.

Regards, Jerry

[Old Hunter]

Isn't "rapid fire" a term used in rifle competition as opposed to rifle qualification? The old FM's detail Record Practice (annual or semi-annual qualification) which was divided into tables of Slow fire and Sustained fire for the M1903, M-1917, 03A3, and M-1 Garand rifles (I don't have an FM for the M14). Once you get to the M16A1 rifle the distance to the pop-up target determines the amount of time the rifleman has to fire the round (closer targets equal a shorter period of time). OH

[zp4ja]

Isn't "rapid fire" a term used in rifle competition as opposed to rifle qualification? The old FM's detail Record Practice (annual or semi-annual qualification) which was divided into tables of Slow fire and Sustained fire for the M1903, M-1917, 03A3, and M-1 Garand rifles (I don't have an FM for the M14). Once you get to the M16A1 rifle the distance to the pop-up target determines the amount of time the rifleman has to fire the round (closer targets equal a shorter period of time). OH

Good question OH. May be interchangeable although not totally correct depending on whom is saying it. I poked around the internet and on some forums, it seems some military call it rapid fire when it comes to qualifications. Not sure if the accounts I read are accurate as to syntax though.

Jerry

[zp4ja]

Check this out. First time I heard of this. A double barreled 1911. Touted as being able to stop a bull. With 230 grain loads, you have 4140 grains in the 2 mated magazines. I think I would prefer a extended magazine that hangs a foot out of my 1911 over this personally. Instead, I would want a .50 Action Express if I thought I had to stop a bull with a handgun.
I think the cost like 6000 bucks for the standard model. Not personally interested in one. Just never have seen or heard of one and thought others may not have either.

Look at the links. This is not some photoshop prank.

http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products ... rel-pistol#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2hRyaa ... e=youtu.be

Jerry