Guns & Gun Related Stuff

[rangerbluedog]

Good info Joe,
The link to Browning, the commie historical background, the removable hammer assembly, and the high velocity projectile were all contributing factors to the decision to add this one to my collection. Also the fact that I "stole" it for one C-note.
It had no magazine and was full of gummy cosmoline, so the seller thought it was defective. I have a mag coming, and after I cleaned out all the goo it seems to function smooth. Won't be able to shoot it for a couple of weeks. Here are some pics of the pop out hammer assembly. Sure makes it easy to clean.

Depending on the ammo manufacturer, there are loads now that send an 85-90 grain projectile at over 1,600 fps!
<edit> I forgot to mention that I got the Yugoslavian version, which is unique from other Tokarevs because the magazine holds 9 rounds instead of the standard 8.

[FRJ]

That hammer assembly is amazing. What a design.
And no safety. Perfect! If you don't want it to discharge a round then don't pull the trigger.
Sorta like my little Kel-Tec.
I had no idea the 30 Mauser (which is very similar to your 7.62 x 25) was the hot stepper of the day until the 357 (1935) came along.
Great stuff, nice gun, Ricky.

[big monk]

Found this early " A-5 Browning" at the flea market this morning ***___ didn't really know exactly what I was buying (when I bought it*) but it sure caught my eye !!!___ Got a good price on her, so here it is ___

This one came out of the closet after being hunted for years**__ I cleaned it up good and she cycles,flawlessly __ looks like the barrel has been changed and the receiver was cleaned & cerakoted to prevent any rust*__ wood is awesome, with a butt pad added some time,long ago* __ I also noticed, I had never seen a "safety" like the one on this shotgun** (all my other Brownings were 1970's models & after) -- all I know about the gun,is what I researched on the net,since I got home** __ seems to be early 1920's made (maybe 1924 ?? ) -- Fabrique Nationale D'Armes De Gueirre Herstal Belgique ( Browning Patent Derose ) stamped on receiver with serial number 63654 --- anyone / everyone please comment about the history or if you have owned or do own one now **______ thanks for all input, in advance __ Monk

[Colonel26]

Old Hunter will be along to correct me if I get this wrong, he's the Browning expert I believe. But iirc that is the first style safety. It's also known as the suicide safety. Not a bad design actually, and very fast and easy to disengage. Just be careful though since you actually have to be in the trigger guard to disengage the safety!

I like those old humpbacks!

[Old Hunter]

Nice shotgun! The old ones were marked like that on the receiver (no profile of John M Browning). I've heard that safety called the "Widow Maker" safety - used until early 1951, when they switched to the familiar style in the side of the trigger guard. The safety works like the one on your M-1 Garand - forward for fire, back for safe. Only issue is they are light - not stiff like a Garand's, thus easy to move to fire if you stumble and your trigger finger ain't where it should be. Make sure you have all your friction rings and brake parts to adjust the ejection and the recoil. Replacement spring/ring kits are available from Midwest Gun Works - http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... ts/A5RBD12
They are always "sold out" on the 12 gauge 2-3/4" kits, but order one and they will ship about every 4 months - actually just installed a set for a hunting buddy on his mid 1950's Light Twelve last week (he ordered his kit in March). OH

[big monk]

Thanks guys !!!!

[JohnR]

Nice find Monk! I love the Browning A5's and have a few of them and Remington Model 11's in the collection. Yours being pre war is hard to date as records were lost, I think your dates are close though.
Here is my luckiest A5 find, first year 1903 Trap grade in all original condition serial 2182, one of the first 4000 delivered to Browning in 1903.

[big monk]

AWESOME A-5, John !!!!! _________ I noticed that your gun does not have the magazine cut-off ,nor the lock-screws ** is the safety,the same as I have ??? looks different in photos ____ from all my research,I have determined one thing****__________nothing about the early FN guns is ""written in stone"" _________they made guns & sold guns to use (not to collect **** )

I did order a lock-screw to replace my missing one *** ( found one on e-bay from a 1929 FN Browning,that a guy was parting out !!!! ) ---- all other parts seem A_OK

[JohnR]

Thanks Monk, good eye, there are several details unique to the first year guns, no mag cut off, no lock screws, safety is different, different recoil spring and friction piece and several other things. I don't shoot it as parts are unobtainable.
A properly set up A5 is one of the best semi's ever made and real shows Browning's genius, just 38 years earlier a war was fought where the standard firearm was a muzzle loading musket.

[FRJ]

Here is my luckiest A5 find, first year 1903 Trap grade in all original condition serial 2182, one of the first 4000 delivered to Browning in 1903.

Beautiful shotguns here. I've got a scruffy Model 11. with a Cutts Compensator.

And speaking of 1903, this is another chance to show off my 1903 Colt Pocket Pistol. 32 cal.
What a gun.

[big monk]

Kool pistol,Joe __________ seems,1903 was a good year

[FRJ]

Thanks, Monk. ............ It was a good year for Browning at least.

[Colonel26]

Fantastic Browning and Colt.

John Moses Browning was one of the great geniuses. It's amazing to think what he did with the technology of the day.

[steve99f]

First time I've visited this forum, some very neat old guns shown. Blue steel and walnut is a good look. Speaking of 1903, this is a Savage Model 1903 22 pump, fed from a box magazine rather than the more common tube mag. This was made just prior to WW1.

[treefarmer]

steve99f,
Now that's a nice little 22 pump! I'm 'kinda partial to old Winchesters but a Savage will do . Blue steel and walnut for me too, I'm not into these new black guns, even thought I have a few light weight colored plastic? whatever pistols for concealed carry.
Treefarmer

[steve99f]

TF:

Plastic guns don't do it for me but then I don't carry either. That would change things. Carrying an all steel gun concealed on a daily basis would have me searching for weight loss.

I have a couple of Winchesters but am partial to certain Savage products like their oldest pumps and their lever rifles like these two:

[RobesonsRme.com]

I love .22 pump rifles. I've had Savage and Remington, but I truly love the Winchesters, but I prefer the models with exposed hammers. I just like the "oldnest" look of them.

Those old Savage 99 style lever actions were probably the best ever made, by anybody, Winchester included.

And they are beautiful rifles.

You've got some nice ones.

I still have my two Savage O/U's from when I was a boy.

Charlie Noyes

[carrmillus]

......"blue steel and walnut"!!!......that's what I like about the henry's!!!......plus they're U. S. made!!!.................. .....................

[zp4ja]

Real nice ones Steve. Love that old pump .22.

Jerry

[steve99f]

Thanks guys. There are a couple of Remington's (12C and 121) and a couple of Winchester pumps( 1890 and 61) along with every model Savage pump they made with a octagon barrel. Plus a Browning Trombone and a Marlin Model 38 that is in pieces. Its a project of sorts.

I couldn't agree more Charlie, pump 22's are great fun to shoot. One of these with an octagon barrel is a treat to shoot and they shoot well even with roached out barrels sometimes.

And Charlie, those Savage model 24 over/under rifle/shotgun combo's are gaining in value. Those that have them don't let go.

If you want a lever rifle, Savage 99 is hard to beat. They aren't perfect in that they really aren't stocked for scope use until the 1970's and by then the perceived quality had dropped off a lot. If you want a 99 you want one with a SN under 1,000,000, known as pre-mil, which would make it earlier than 1960. Its like the pre-64 thing with Winchester. I've heard it said that southpaws have problems with the 99's with the right side safety on the lever. I can see where it would be awkward.

[tjmurphy]

Cut Shells

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3M46XVfVOU[/youtube]

[philco]

You "learnt" me something TJ. I'd never heard of a cut shell before.

Interesting stuff.

[carrmillus]

...very interesting!!!!!....... ..........

[Colonel26]

Very good TJ. Here we call those ringed shells. Old bird hunters used to pack one or two just in case they ran up on a good meat deer while out bird hunting.

I'm not sure if the legality of it, but it worked!

[treefarmer]

That's pretty cool but I've got a couple of observations
1st-looks like that would only work in a break open single or double barrel, can't imagine how a pump or auto loader would handle those cut shells .
2nd-they didn't have the plastic shot cups/wads back in the time they mentioned, seems like they were made of felt. Maybe the bird shot stayed together and did the damage?
Still it's an interesting procedure and would work in a pinch.
What do y'all think?
Treefarmer