Queen patterns

[edge213]

Does anyone know where I can find a complete list of Queen handle material numbers, blade profile numbers and pattern numbers?

[jerryd6818]

David, I've been working on that with Schatt & Morgan's, off and on for a while. I don't know if Queen uses the same setup for both names or not. I called Queen and was transferred to the phone of someone who was supposedly able to help me but didn't answer her phone. I left a message but didn't receive a return call. This was at least a month ago, maybe more. So long ago that I had forgotten about it until I saw your thread.

I have a few S&Ms figured out but nowhere near all. At least I now know which fields in a S&M pattern number mean what. I'm going to bookmark this thread in case I get anything else to add.

[edge213]

Jerry, I saw on another thread where you posted info about S&M pattern numbers. That's kinda what got me started on this. I can find quite alot about the history of Queen, but not much on reading pattern numbers. I look forward to see what you come up with. If I can find anything helpful I will post.

[Billswfl]

I'm not sure I've seen more than a tang stamp, blade etch or pattern number on vintage or newer Queen knives. I don't think the markings changed when a different material was used. Pattern numbers did change depending on blade profile e.g. two blade barlows #22 clip & pen #23 spear & pen #25 razor & pen .

Bill

[Billswfl]

After looking at Sargents Knives & Razors 6TH edition, I do see where a P(pearl) A(amber) and B(imitation slick black) were added to the pattern number, but there were patterns in pearl, amber and imitation slick black that did not have a letter added to pattern number.

It's possible this could be verified by looking at older Queen catalogs.

Bill

[jerryd6818]

That's been my experience too Bill (though I am not highly experienced). However, when they started making S&M's again, they assigned a six digit number to the knives released in the 20 year Keystone Series and those numbers tell you the handle material, the number of blades, the profile of the main blade and the pattern number.

[Billswfl]

Jerry I have some experience, but far from an expert. I've collected a lot of different brands, but Queen, Schatt & Morgan and a lot of Queen contract brands are my main interest.

I have a couple of Schatt & Morgan blade profiles you can add to the list I gave you in this thread http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... =4&t=45289 I couldn't see how to edit my post.

Blade profile
6=Queen Cotton Sampler
8=Saber Ground
9=Saber Ground Clip or Spear

Bill

[jerryd6818]

Thanks Bill. Got it.

[Keystone]

Queen has changed the knife designated by model numbers a great many times. In the Queen Cutlery historical documents website, you can bring up "Historical Catalogs," with a listing for each year where a catalog has been identified from 1947-2103 (Part B). Part C, and D provide links to "Summary Reports", from a database sorting over 7,250 catalog-listed knives into either model numbers or series. The model number reports show what the knife was called in each year that carried it. There is a ton of useful historical material on this site. I am not saying it is all correct -- but the actual catalog pages are there to check and validate ( or disconfirm) anything listed in the summary reports. So it is way more than has been available if you did not have all the catalogs -- I would like to know if you find any errors.

http://www.queencutlery.com/Historical_Catalogs.html

You are correct that in the earlier years- through mid-1950s, each handle material received a different model number. That started to change to an alphabetic code after the model number - now catalog handle materials are coded as an add-on to the model number (like ACBS, BEM, etc).

Current Queen owners are continuing to change and add model numbers. On Iknifecollector, the Queen group- over on a sidebar are several listing of model numbers that will go forward into the last few years.

Thanks,
Dan