Old knife quality tiers??

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Old knife quality tiers??

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My name is Bryant Hollinger. Im a part time custom knife maker that has started making custom slipjoints. I will attach some pictures of my handmade pocket knives

I’m interested in starting to collect some vintage pocket knives. I really enjoy learning the history of the old knife brands and patterns

I don’t wanna start any controversy but I’m interested in what the general consensus is on who made the best pocket knives back in the day. Mostly interested in pre 1970 and especially pre ww2 USA 🇺🇸 made knives but also Sheffield made knives

What brands where top quality? 2nd quality? 3rd quality?

Thanks!
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In my opinion, pre depression era knives were the best made and there was a lot of competition on who was the best.Several companies had a best line and a lower quality line.
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This should be an interesting thread.
To start, Top tier just to name a couple.
Robeson
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Your knives are top tier also, by the looks of them.
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Among many collectors of antique American made pocket knives those made by New York Knife Co were the highest quality ever made in this country.
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I collect mostly Colonial knives so I know exactly what tier I'm in but I still like 'em. Your knives look like some really nice work--Welcome to the forum----Nick
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That’s a tough one and you’ll get as many opinions as there are posts. The period between the turn of the 20th Century and WWII were the Golden Age of U.S. cutlery. Several firms made cutlery of the highest quality materials, workmanship, and design innovation. Design innovations patented during that timeframe are still being produced today, although some have fallen by the wayside. You can view pages on pages of examples here from companies like Phoenix, Cattaraugus, New York Knife, Case, Remington, Winchester, Platts, Robeson, on and on. I could not say one one was better than the others as they were all excellent. We all have our favorites - while debating it might be fun, it won’t prove or resolve a thing!

As has been pointed out many of them had secondary, lower cost/priced lines. Those were by and large made using less expensive cover materials, thinner blade stock, brass in lieu of nickel silver pins and linings, etc. However during that time period the workmanship and mechanical aspects of a knife (such as walk-and-talk) were still excellent. Quality was a customer expectation, unforgiving and as such was the price of entry into the market. Without it a company couldn’t survive. “Lower end” brands like Imperial, Colonial, Ideal, etc were still very good knives having good steel and mechanical properties. As mergers and acquisition occurred within the industry some, like Hammer Brand for example, moved from upper tier to lower tier.

Complicated answer to a simple question for which there is no right answer. JMO

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Not an answer to your question but a compliment on your knives. Those look really good. Beautiful handles. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:20 pm That’s a tough one and you’ll get as many opinions are there are posts. The period between the turn of the 20th Century and WWII were the Golden Age of U.S. cutlery. Several firms made cutlery of the highest quality materials, workmanship, and design innovation. Design innovations patented during that timeframe are still being produced today, although some have fallen by the wayside. You can view pages on pages of examples here from companies like Phoenix, Cattaraugus, New York Knife, Case, Remington, Winchester, Platts, Robeson, on and on. I could not say one one was better than the others as they were all excellent. We all have our favorites - while debating it might be fun, it won’t prove or resolve a thing!

As has been pointed out many of them had secondary, lower cost/priced lines. Those were by and large made using less expensive cover materials, thinner blade stock, brass in lieu of nickel silver pins and linings, etc. However during that time period the workmanship and mechanical aspects of a knife (such as walk-and-talk) were still excellent. Quality was a customer expectation, unforgiving and as such was the price of entry into the market. Without it a company couldn’t survive. “Lower end” brands like Imperial, Colonial, Ideal, etc were still very good knives having good steel and mechanical properties. As mergers and acquisition occurred within the industry some, like Hammer Brand for example, moved from upper tier to lower tier.

Complicated answer to a simple question for which there is no right answer. JMO

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::tu:: I totally agree Ken. Plus, you also have to consider the working mans purpose at the time. Certain brands as Camillus, Robeson, and Tang Stamps such as Craftsman who contracted through several different knife makers that did put out lower cost knives that were of good working quality and some of those you still find that have stood the test of time. Sometimes it's all perspective.
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:20 pm That’s a tough one and you’ll get as many opinions are there are posts. The period between the turn of the 20th Century and WWII were the Golden Age of U.S. cutlery. Several firms made cutlery of the highest quality materials, workmanship, and design innovation. Design innovations patented during that timeframe are still being produced today, although some have fallen by the wayside. You can view pages on pages of examples here from companies like Phoenix, Cattaraugus, New York Knife, Case, Remington, Winchester, Platts, Robeson, on and on. I could not say one one was better than the others as they were all excellent. We all have our favorites - while debating it might be fun, it won’t prove or resolve a thing!

As has been pointed out many of them had secondary, lower cost/priced lines. Those were by and large made using less expensive cover materials, thinner blade stock, brass in lieu of nickel silver pins and linings, etc. However during that time period the workmanship and mechanical aspects of a knife (such as walk-and-talk) were still excellent. Quality was a customer expectation, unforgiving and as such was the price of entry into the market. Without it a company couldn’t survive. “Lower end” brands like Imperial, Colonial, Ideal, etc were still very good knives having good steel and mechanical properties. As mergers and acquisition occurred within the industry some, like Hammer Brand for example, moved from upper tier to lower tier.

Complicated answer to a simple question for which there is no right answer. JMO

KEN

So true Ken.
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Welcome to the forums Bryant! You have some very nice folders that you make and thanks for showing them.
As to your question;I don't really know if there is a definitive answer. There were many American made knives that people consider top quality such as Remington;Napanoch;Winchester,and the list is almost endless.
If your preference is English made knives then George Wostenholm and Joseph Rodgers are at the top of the list.
If German made knives are your forte then Boker or Kastor Brothers and their myriad sub-brands are great.
My suggestion would be to use your experience as a knife maker to attend knife shows and examine a lot of earlier knives to see the quality first hand.Then you can form your own opinion as to what you like or dislike.Just my opinion.
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I gotta disagree with Ken on one point. The golden age of American knife making began in the mid 1800s. Many fine companies began making fine knives in the 1840s to 1870s. WW2 was the end of the "golden age" though, I agree with that for sure.
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Pre Depression knives were some of the best in my opinion and it seems that almost every company made good knives at that time. two that I did not see mentioned are Challenge and Miller Brothers, both companies made very high quality knives.
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JohnR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:41 am Pre Depression knives were some of the best in my opinion and it seems that almost every company made good knives at that time. two that I did not see mentioned are Challenge and Miller Brothers, both companies made very high quality knives.
That they did! ::tu::
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