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Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:49 pm
by HCain
When my Dad passed I inherited his knife collection. He was a big time collector, of lots of stuff. His bullet knife collection I can pretty much determine value on because they are out there being sold, however he did have some of what I think are real vintage knives. They just feel different not only look different. He had several very, very nice Winchester knives and a Bullet knife that has me thinking it's real. SO......... if you guys could take a minute I'm going to post a few pics of this one bullet knife for your opinions. It's a R4466 made between 1933-1935. Called a Baby Muskrat. Don't think me to be showboating with this wealth of knowledge. Is this the real deal and can you help with a value.

Thanks,
H

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:39 pm
by stockman
H ::td:: IMO Not old vintage

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:50 pm
by HCain
Well that's a start anyway. It just dosen't look anything like the repos so I didn't know for sure

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:52 pm
by robinetn
This pattern should have stag handles . This one has jigged bone handles , but not the type of jigging used by Remington during this era . I have a counterfeit Winchester toothpick with the exact jigged bone that is on your knife . I am far from being an expert on Remingtons but I am sure that one will soon give you more helpful info on this knife .

P.S. In the meanwhile open both blades fully and see if they are parallel and check to see if the thickness of the blades is exactly as thick as the backsprings .

Bob R. (RIDGEWOOD CUTLERY)

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:54 pm
by HCain
Thank you

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:58 pm
by HCain
Well ya know, in doing what you suggested and comparing this knife to my other bullets, the repros, there does seem to be some difference.

I take it I'm looking for signs of grinding the blade down for fresh markings ?

Looks like I might indeed have a forgery here. That is just something that had never dawned on me before. I suppse it's like my Well's Fargo belt buckle with Tiffany New York on the back .

Well at least all my reproductions are in their boxes. Oh heck, they didn't forge boxes too did they?

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:23 pm
by remington collector
Hello HCain, I see that you made it. When we first e-mailed I was afraid that your R 4466 would not be authentic. Now that I see the pictures I'm sure its not. The other posters have guided you correctly. You have a counterfeit knife there, I see them pass thru ebay from time to time, as far as collector value that would be nil, it might be worth a few dollars for a tackle box knife. Thanks for sharing, sorry its not the real deal.

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:03 am
by Miller Bro's
The jigging pattern looks like the stuff coming out of China ::td::

The pattern numbers stamped on the tang are too large, the bolsters are stamped with that groove, not cut like the originals.

I agree with RC little to no value as a collectable knife

Re: Oh where to begin

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:40 am
by HCain
Thanks guys.

My Dad was a great man. He knew more than me, more than you, more than the next fellow. Like they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. It looks like somewhere along the way he got took. But ya know what, I'm just gonna keep it to myself, let's not tell him OK.

Horatio