Schrade Wallden,Stag.surp jack.

[ironmage]

I had to tell all how good this knife is.I have had it 6 or 8 months now and have had time to see how good of a knife it is.I hate to say it butt it is made as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years.Don't be afraid to shell out your $20.00 on this one but hurry there was only 500 made in stag for SMKW and yes there is more than one model.If you say $20.00 is to much for any China knife and you don't mined jigged bone than you can git it for $8.99 a piece.

[coffeecup]

What alloy are the blades? If it is the usual stuff used by Taylor, I don't think you'll find agreement that it is as "as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years."

[Cutty]

Looks like a nice knife for 20bucks If you like it then it's money well spent. Knife collecting is personal to me. If we all collected the exact same stuff then I would find another hobby where I could have individuality.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinon but you may have kicked a hornets nest with the 40 year comparison.

I choose not to comment further for fear of beating the same old dead "chinese" horse.

[Miller Bro's]

I hate to say it butt it is made as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years.

Here is one Schrade made 40+ years ago you can compare it too

[garddogg56]

Thats a nice knife Miller Bros

[ironmage]

I hate to say it butt it is made as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years.

Here is one Schrade made 40+ years ago you can compare it too

That is what I meant "said"in the last 40 years there knives where not as good as the older ones 40 years ago.You are very right Mill that is one well made knife.I love the old peach seed jigging.

[ironmage]

What alloy are the blades? If it is the usual stuff used by Taylor, I don't think you'll find agreement that it is as "as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years."

It seem to be the standard 440A I find it takes a edge well and seems to hold it.The blade finish is not as nice as some it has that satin look.My biggest concern with thees China knives is how well are they tempered.So fare it seems to be a very well made knife.So I will say again"It is made as well as any Schrade has made in the last 40 years"As fare as steel is concerned today's steel are fare Superior win compared to any up to this point in time and that is just a fact.

[ironmage]

Evan tho this is a China blade forum to be fare to all concerned I did find this info on a other thread and I'm sure this guy knows more than I do about it so I thought I would post this in quote.

orvet "Having worked on lost if US made Schrades I know their quality.
I took apart a Chinese knife with the Schrade name on it. The only similarity between the two knives was the general shape and the name on the tang.
They were worlds apart in quality of material and quality of workmanship!

They are made differently and made of different steel.
IMHO the Chinese made knife wearing the Schrade name is a poser, a wannabe Schrade.

The ones made in the USA are excellent tools. "

[philco]

Let's keep the discussion focused on the knife and not on the poster. Any further personal exchanges will result in this thread being locked. Nuff said ?


Phil

[coffeecup]

It seem to be the standard 440A I find it takes a edge well and seems to hold it.The blade finish is not as nice as some it has that satin look.My biggest concern with thees China knives is how well are they tempered.So fare it seems to be a very well made knife.So I will say again"It is made as well as any Schrade has made in the last 40 years"As fare as steel is concerned today's steel are fare Superior win compared to any up to this point in time and that is just a fact.

I managed to borrow one; I could play with it as long as I returned it sharp. As found it was lightly used, with what was left of the factory edge. Fit and finish of the metal seemed about par for late Schrade production, but not as nicely done as in the '80s. As Ironmage wrote, the blades had sort of a "satin" finish, not buffed to a high finish--but a very even finish. Not a bad looking knife, and clearly inspired by one of my all-time favorite patterns (Schrade 294).

Scales were fit OK but there were traces of some substance around the edges (maybe glue or something similar). I'm not sure what that means, I don't know if they are gluing handles before pinning or maybe using some sort of glue-like bedding compound. It could have been some sort of buffing compound, but it seemed more like a layer under the scales, which would argue against that. But who knows--since I had to return the knife, I couldn't take it apart. Gaps were noted around the shield. Jigging of the bone was fairly even--not perfect, not bad (no one seems to do it "perfect" these days). In hand it felt a bit "blocky" compared to my old 194OT, not quite as smooth as a 294, but there weren't any sharp edges or corners.

Blades: since I had to return it, I couldn't snap a blade and look at it under magnification to see the carbides and grain structure to compare with old Schrade production. The guy who tested hardness for me said it came out at RC 53. Per information that has come out since the demise of Schrade in Ellenville, Schrade's target for hardness for "440 SS" was RC 56-58; for "410-51 SS" the target was 48-50. The only comparable Schrade+ blade I can recall having had tested was an End of Days 194OT (stainless but not marked "Schrade+") that went 56 RC. Schrade's target hardness for 1095 (non-stainless) blades was RC 56-58; the results I've read indicate they were very consistent with this.

I compared the Taylor Schrade with 2 similar knives (the stainless 194OT and a standard 194OT). All three blades were sharpened to the same angles (included angles of 30 degrees and 40 degrees). I did a variety of tasks that I use my pocketknives for, ranging from slicing vegetables and fruit to carving wood/bone/horn. The Taylor Schrade did well on the vegetables but so did the other knives. On hard materials (particularly horn and bone), the Taylor Schrade didn't hold an edge as long as the others. The blade was soft enough I noticed some slight deflection of the edge a couple times. On a diamond stone, the new knife felt just ever-so-slightly "gummy": not like a SAK, but a bit moreso than the stainless 194OT.

In general, based on one example--compared to both an '80s vintage 194OT (non-stainless) and an End of Days 194OT (stainless) made at the absolute low point of Ellenville production--I can't agree this example was "made as good as anything Schrade has made in 40 years." That isn't saying it is a bad knife, just that it is not the same.

As for the OP's claim that "today's steel are fare Superior win compared to any up to this point in time and that is just a fact," that may or may not be true. It depends on how you compare the steels, and exactly which steels you are comparing. For example, it has been suggested that some of the factories producing knives in China may be substituting a similar but not identical steel without notification to customers; Ellenville Schrade seems to have done something similar. If you want to compare 1955-production of 1095 with 1095 today, analyzed in the same lab at the same time, or machined and heat-treated in the same way, you could maybe say something with a degree of certainty.

[Jody744]

I got one of the fancy jacks in bone, cuz i liked the
way it looked. I carry american, japanese, swiss, and
china made knives, love and use all at different times.
I have only had one brand ever break tip off end of blade,
and it happened again on the warrantied replacement. Cutting
cardboard on top of wood..... Anyhoo, i've had other warranty
issues, so what????? If it cuts what you need it to cut???
i know i am not the only one to put up and or display my
"nice" or collector knives, and carry something from china
for duty. My Sunday knives are irreplaceable, while another
ag russell will set me back $25