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The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:00 am
by Miller Bro's
I started thinking about restoring some old knives back 20 years ago, and that was about all I did was think about it. I socked away every old broken and worn out folding knife I came across at a cheap price. Fast forward 15 years and I found AAPK while surfing the net. I find several members here rebuilding, restoring and modifying old and new pocket knives. Searching the forums I read every page and absorbed what knowledge I could, not to mention buying all the repair books that were published on the subject.

About 4 weeks ago I got serious about attempting a repair on an old knife, just as I was going to get started I injured my wrist. I was in a cast for 3 weeks, so the project got put on the back burner again. One good thing about the down time was I had all this time while house bound to locate tools and study just how I was going to attack this project. After my hand was useable I started practicing the art of forming a head on a pin, no easy task without practice, so I got some scrap wood and a sheet of tin drilled a lot of holes and practiced for days 7-8 hours till I was satisfied with my results. I was now forming a head on a steel pin without bending it, nickle and brass was easy after learning on steel.

The knife was chosen, and old English single blade with a worn out blade, handles chipped off at the bottom pin on both sides, heavily pocket worn but it had some nice grooved bolsters! The liners and all the pins including the pivot pin was steel, I don`t like steel on nickle for a pivot pin so I decided to replace that pin with nickle.

My intention was to keep the knife as close to original looking as possible, including as much of the original patina. I decide there would be no gluing handles on here, I must do it the way it was done at the factory. The handles were English stag, I had an old slab for the front side and in keeping with English construction I wanted to put the more gnarly handle on the back side. I found an old kitchen knife handle and sliced off a piece. The original handles had a gap between the bolsters and stag so I left the gap when the new handles were cut. Next I needed to located a replacement knife blade, no problem there I found a great sheep foot blade in my parts bin. The length was just right and the tang thickness.

The previous owner made an E.O. notch so they could get the blade open, I decided to leave the notch and enlarge it as the old one was rather crude and not large enough. The handles were pinned on using steel rod, no easy task when you have uneven gnarly stag on one side! Note to others attempting this, do not use rough stag for your first project! The knife went together well and I did not break of crack either of the stag handles, I was quite satisfied the way the handles went on.

The next challenge was to pin the blade, again no easy task with grooved bolsters! I did not want to lose the patina on the bolsters so I taped them off while I worked on the one groove pinning the blade. I made my own shim out of a brass liner of a parts knife. The blade moved freely and snaps both ways, so no problem there.

All in all I was very happy with the results as It looks "original" without me erasing the patina and having to buff the bolsters. I learned a lot on this one and if I decide to do another one someday it should take less time and be easier for me. Lots of pictures below, hope you guys like it.

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Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:01 am
by Miller Bro's
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Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:19 am
by glennbad
That came out great!

Careful Dimitri, if you don't have alot of spare time to begin with, you'll end up with even less... ::sneaky::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:46 am
by Joe Dirt
ut-oh, D... that spare time you might have encountered once in a while is now GONE!.
::hmm:: Soooo.... when do your plans for the next one start???? Tomorrow?... Morning of noon?

GREAT JOB!! ::groove:: Congrats!

WoW! Starting off the bat with gnarly stag, steel pins and grooved bolsters - that ain't repair 101, and that's for sure!

(let's see your new shop set-up ::nod:: )

..... Joe

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:58 am
by whitebuffalo58
Dimitri, that's awsome!! Congrats!! ::handshake:: I know you've been on the trail to doin' this for along time and from what I see, you nailed it my friend!! Excellent job and I can't wait to see where you go from here!! I too would love to see your shop setup. ::nod::

WB

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:40 am
by just bob
That's amazing and a knife you'll never let go of.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:45 am
by wlf
Looks professional Dimitri,nice work.Now get your house done. :)

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:37 am
by jerryd6818
Excellent workmanship Dimitri. Ya done real good.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:21 am
by TripleF
Quite impressive! Knice work Dimitri!!

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:10 pm
by muskrat man
well, looks like you won't need me anymore! ::tu::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:21 pm
by knife-nut
Nice job Dimitri. I really like the stag you used on that. Mark. ::tu::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:22 pm
by Miller Bro's
Thanks for all the compliments guys! :D ::tu::

Maybe by January of next year I will have time to do another one :roll: :(

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:23 pm
by Miller Bro's
Thanks Mark, I like the gnarly stuff ::nod:: ::drool::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:18 am
by FRJ
A really nice job, Dimitri.
Very impressive. I like that blade.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:22 am
by Iron Hoarder
Nice work Dimitri!

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:37 am
by orvet
Nice work Dimitri, though I would expect nothing less from a man who has such a great grasp of the history of the knives, companies, and manufacturing techniques and is a perfectionist to begin with! :lol: :lol:

Beautiful work!!! An outstanding result on something that was anything but a beginners’ project! ::nod::

Please share with us how you spin heads on steel pins. I assume the pins were carbon steel given the age of the knife and your intention of keeping it as original as possible.

I am truly impressed! ::tu:: ::tu::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:59 pm
by Miller Bro's
Dale, you and all the other experienced cutlers who have posted complimenting this knife, let me say it really means a lot to me, thank you all! :D
orvet wrote:I would expect nothing less from a man who has such a great grasp of the history of the knives, companies, and manufacturing techniques and is a perfectionist to begin with!
You know me too well my friend! ::nod:: :lol:
orvet wrote:Please share with us how you spin heads on steel pins. I assume the pins were carbon steel given the age of the knife and your intention of keeping it as original as possible.
I never spun the heads, I don`t even own a head spinner yet. Earlier Joe and Rob asked to see my shop set up, well I am a little embarrassed to say I did all the work on a small bench in my basement with a nice little vise given to me by Charlie Noyes, the only other tools I used was a drill, flat and round files, a small 7oz. hammer, coping saw, couple of punches and a wire nipper ::nod::

When the knife came from the factory it had hammered pins so this is what I wanted to replicate,I examined the original pins and they were the same hardness as regular finish nails, which I have a ton of, this is what I used for the handle pins. The process of hammering the heads is a slow one, the object here is to mushroom the head without bending the shaft, when you bend the shaft this is when you are going to break the handle material, unless you are using some strong synthetic stuff for handle material. The stag I was using was at least 60 years old and maybe much older so it was dry and brittle, you also need to slightly enlarge the hole on the top of the stag to allow the pin head to spread, then you start forming the head with your hammer moving in a circular motion as you go. If you look at the back side handle the stag is very gnarly, so I needed to put a punch in the vise, of the proper size, and rest the pin on the punch as I formed the head on the opposite side so as not to damage the stag, no easy task!

The English cutlers still hand hammered their pins much later than their American counterparts, this knife is not real old but the pins were still hammered, where I have noticed American knives of the same vintage have spun heads. I will make my own head spinner as soon as I get a chance because there are some that I need to repair that originally had spun heads, so I will need to practice this technique as well.

Let me address the term "original" as I have posted it. This knife will never be original again, only the parts I did not replace will truly be original, all the rest of it are replacement parts, even though some of the replacement parts were as old if not older than the existing stuff. I guess what I was going for was to try and reassemble an old knife using techniques and tools like they did back in the day, that is why I used very few modern power tools.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:27 am
by rexstubbins
That looks amazing Dimitri. I only hope that mine comes out as nice as that one.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:33 am
by Miller Bro's
Thanks ::tu::

I am sure yours will come out very nice as well, just take your time, that is my best advice ::nod::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:50 am
by 0078
Nice job, miller bros.

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:39 am
by singin46
Very well done D! Looks classic still and even authentic. ::nod::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:33 am
by Miller Bro's
Thanks 0078 ::tu::
singin46 wrote:Looks classic still and even authentic.
Thanks Perry :D I wanted it to look old ::woot::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:32 pm
by singin46
Well you nailed that one. ::ds::

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:55 pm
by Joe Dirt
Did you mark the knife as "re-built", Dimitri?

..... Joe

Re: The First Restoration Project

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:07 am
by Miller Bro's
Joe,

No, I did not mark it in any fashion yet.

I was thinking about that and I think I am going to have a tang stamp made up with my name on it and stamp the reverse tang on all the knives I rebuild ::nod::

If anyone knows what company makes tang stamps for knife companies, please let me know about it ::tu::