Old Schrade Walden, How Old?

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:59 pm

I would appreciate any info regarding age. The tang is stamped
Schrade Walden NY USA. Does that date it 1946-1950's.
The pen blade is very clean verses the main blade but the knife does not
look like it was repaired.
I look forward to your comments.

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:30 pm

hey paul, moved your post here, where the schrade experts hang out.

thanks bill.

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:47 am

Paul, generally that tang stamping was used from 1946 to 1973, with some overlap with others. The knife looks in great shape. It is called an Easy-Open Jack, or EO jack. Oil the joint, rub a trace of mineral oil on the wood, and keep it dry!
Don't clean it, in my opinion, as you get best value from "as found" knives; that is if you are collecting it. If you are using it, do what you want!
If it snaps good, and doesn't wobble, and there are no chips, cracks or other flaws, it's worth $80 to 160, depending on who's buying!
My 2 cents!

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:15 am

Paul,

That looks like it might be much closer to a 1946 vintage due to the fact that it is a dead ringer for the Schrade Cut Co 2012, minus one pin. You don't see any of the later Waldens with that shield or large spear point blades. Is the pen blade stamped as well?
Charlie, do you have any Waldens with that configuration?

Eric

knifeaholic · Post by **knifeaholic** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:19 am

ea42 wrote:Paul,

That looks like it might be much closer to a 1946 vintage due to the fact that it is a dead ringer for the Schrade Cut Co 2012, minus one pin. You don't see any of the later Waldens with that shield or large spear point blades. Is the pen blade stamped as well?
Charlie, do you have any Waldens with that configuration?

Eric

I agree its older...you rarely see Walden stamped knives in ebony. I wonder if any of the 1950's catalogs even showed ebony handled knives. The 1964 catalog did not.

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:47 am

There is no stamping on pen blade or on other side of spear.
The blades really snap in two positions.
Thanks for the info!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:18 am

ea42 wrote:Paul,

That looks like it might be much closer to a 1946 vintage due to the fact that it is a dead ringer for the Schrade Cut Co 2012, minus one pin. You don't see any of the later Waldens with that shield or large spear point blades. Is the pen blade stamped as well?
Charlie, do you have any Waldens with that configuration?

Eric

I agree with you all, it's probably an older one.
Eric, I have a barehead jack in ebony, with that same blade and shield configuration, stamped Walden.
I can't get to my knives to scan it in right now.
What do you think of my evaluation BTW??

Hey knifeaholic, can you direct me to a copy of the 1964 catalog

?????? Please?????

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:37 am

found what i think is it in stewart/ritchie second edition big book of pocket knives, page 274. no.2022. ebony, cocobola or bone stag. shows four pins on handle though. what is closed length?

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:53 am

Johnnie,

That's a barehead jack, the one right next to it with the cap bolster is more similar, only with ebony handles (#2012). Of course they're both Cut. Cos.

Eric

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Fri May 25, 2007 4:34 am

you're right, i got ahead of my self. i'm glad it was'nt a snake!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:43 pm

Paul M wrote:There is no stamping on pen blade or on other side of spear.
The blades really snap in two positions.
Thanks for the info!

Paul, would you mind dropping me an e-mail??
[email protected]

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:21 pm

The knife is 3-5/8" closed, 6-1/4" open.
It really is a knife you would expect to see the Cut Co stamp.
Transition Knife?

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:55 pm

Charlie,

Sorry, I somehow missed your post, yes, dead on if you ask me. I'd love to see that ebony Walden

Paul, I was thinking transition knife myself, or at least close to it. I need to find out how many years they made those big jacks, of course I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Schrade Walden literature.

Eric

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:58 pm

Here is another large Walden Stamped Jack to compare. Cap bolsters seem a little different more rounded. What do you guys think, is this one real?

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:16 pm

Looks OK, but maybe BUFFED enough to change the shape of the bolsters..... maybe even exposing the liner on the back of the knife?

JMO.

Bill

muskrat man · Post by **muskrat man** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:15 pm

Bill, the handle wear is commonly seen on heavily carried knives, I've seen it alot in buying parts knives. I must agree on the bolsters being polished though (nothing really wrong with that in my eyes) looks like it was carried alot and used little. carry wear could have resulted in the difference in bolster bevel.

El Lobo · Post by **El Lobo** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:32 pm

Thanks for the info.

Bill

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:30 am

Bolster shape can vary slightly on brand new knives! It's all in the hand finishing stage, where the hafter grinds the edges of the bolsters and liners to match, by eye!
It's the difference between hand made, and machine made.
Nice pair, Paul! I see the photographer's eye in the knives you choose!!

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:20 pm

Thanks for the input guys! Now back to the age of these 2 knives,
Could they be early 1946 production? How does one summon LT's
highly respected Schrade knowledge?

( all knowledge gathered by response to my posts is highly respected)

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:00 pm

LT will be along grasshopper!

In the meantime, my far less schooled opinion is that carryover patterns continued much longer than a few months. More like years. Without an annual series of catalogs, it's virtually impossible to pin down a year here. A five to ten year range, early in the Walden era seems as close as one could come.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:30 pm

upnorth wrote:LT will be along grasshopper!

In the meantime, my far less schooled opinion is that carryover patterns continued much longer than a few months. More like years. Without an annual series of catalogs, it's virtually impossible to pin down a year here. A five to ten year range, early in the Walden era seems as close as one could come.

I think you are right Charlie, the patterns did carry over for considerable time in some instances.

I spoke to LT a couple days ago & he has been very busy lately, but I know he will be along here as soon as he gets some time. The museum project will consume a vast amount of his time as that gets closer to becoming a reality.

Be sure to watch Larry's site http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/
He has put some old price lists on there & that might help you date a knife or at least give you a range of production dates. But we all know that Schrade catalogs & price lists were not totally accurate. It seems that Schrade's priority was making quality knives, not accurate catalogs.

Hope this helps,
Dale

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:24 am

You guys do not need me you are right on the money. Mid 40tys right after Baer took over ( probably just after WWII.) Since he did not change tangs until after WWII. Really pretty much the same as the CUT version.

I went down to Manhattan on Monday. First time in years since I used to bring inmates to NYC for funeral visits. I never drove then ( being the senior officer ) and I did not drive this time DDRUGER and I went down in his van. What a nightmare miserable people and about a zillion of them. We went down to pick up a KEEN KUTTER 3 X 5 X 2 feet. etched KK logo Oak wavy glass and just a beauty. 1900 or earlier. What a trip . However it is a dandy. I have absolutely no where to put it. It is presently in the garage until I can figure it out. But it is safe.

On the good side during the trip I was introduced to something called an auto GPS a Garmin C330. Damn what a neat item. A womans voice calmly gives instructions and directions. If you make a wrong turn she just says recalculating and does not swear at you for making a mistake. This might have helped save my marriage it it had been around years ago. Any way I am going to buy one, only I do not know much about them that C330 has been around for a couple of years but seemed fine to me. The price has also come down on them. It sure did the job does anyone know any thing about these or have any recommendations. I do have stuff to show and talk about but I have been running around quite a bit. Seems like you guys are on top of things. LT PS knives stamped on one or both blades are both correct.

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:59 am

Good to hear from you LT.

Glad the old KK case is safe.
Any news on a museum yet?

Take care & drop back in when you can.

Dale

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:36 am

The Gov has not signed it I have no idea however I smell a rat. So who knows. I expect nothing and I am never disappointed. Putting your faith in a NY politician to do the right thing just because it is the right thing is like starting to smoke cigaretes to improve your health. Oh by the way if you have the news on, the area I was in in NYC just blew up leaving a giant crater in the street. ( A 24 inch steam pipe they say ) However being quite paranoidal I am sure it was meant for me and they had there days wrong. LT

Paul M · Post by **Paul M** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:29 pm

Thanks LT, Charlie and Dale!