Hey LT, JCN Pull Ball

Gr8Scout · Post by **Gr8Scout** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:02 pm

Here is an old pull ball I just aquired. Neat little thing, huh? Works perfectly. I thought it was a schrade at first, but tang reads:
JCN CO, PAT, 11-9-37 on three lines.

Just what I have got here, LT?

And pics show a glimse of a nice butter and molasses Schrade Cut double ended auto.

Hope you are feeling better LT

Phil

knife7knut · Post by **knife7knut** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:10 pm

I have one very similar to it except it has file serrations on the blade.The initials stand for the Jewelry,Cutlery,and Novelty Co.It has a brief history of the company in the American Switchblades book which I don't have handy at the moment.I will dig it out and get the info.

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:44 am

JCN was a jewelrycompany in business in the late 30tys and 40 tys . These little pull balls were contracted through George Schrade . Pull balls were a G Schrade invention which were used by his company in lieu of the 2,7/8" double automatics which were used by Schrade and Flylock. They were less expensive to produce and the blade size filled the void. These under JCN often were sold in mens accessory and jewelry sets. I have included a pic from my book The collectors guide to Switchblade knives . Mark who wrote the American Switchblades reference you mentioned stayed at my house prior to his writing his book when mine was being published in fact I offered him several suggestions on his then project and how to proceed with getting it published ect. He was and i am sure still is a nice young fellow and quick learner and I am sure anyone would find his book a help. I have also included a pic of my book which perhapes you may not have heard of. LT PS your is the matchstrike version which is a bit more rare.

W5RWU · Post by **W5RWU** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:46 am

hey phil nice find

LT great book
Randy

Gr8Scout · Post by **Gr8Scout** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:47 pm

Thank you all for your help. I really like this little knife, don't have many autos.
Phil

PA Knives · Post by **PA Knives** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:03 pm

Gang,

I found the following pat listed for this knife. I don't quite understand the difference in the dates from the Pat to the knife shown. LT may know the reason for that. I may have the wrong PAT also. but I thought it interesting. I love searching old Patents.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=S79yAA ... e#PPA25,M1

It gives great history for us.

G. Schrade was a patent nut.

It had plenty to his name.

lt632ret · Post by **lt632ret** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:02 pm

Actually there are several possibilitys first is due to small changes which may have been made in the mech construction, this was not unusual and would preclude a later patent . Second patents eventually are renewed, if changes were made it might or might not necessitate putting both dates on the blade so some would be the earlier some the later. Now the third factor is that G Schrade ( Presto knife ect) was sued by his brothers firm of Schrade . Due to his opening his own company and selling automatic knives very similar to the Schrade knives he invented and patented and sold to his brothers ( who also had constituents in the company at this point ). This famous law suit was finally settled when the judge called G Schrade himself to testify . He told Schrade that the knives look quite similar ( which in effect they are ). However remember Schrade invented both. So he told the judge that he was wrong and proceeded to explain the subtle differences spring sizes small changes but none the less differences. He won the trial his brothers were satisfied and the constituents satisfied. In any event this did cause some changes and repatent dates. Now the pullball was not a model put out by Schrade cut only by G Schrade none the less this legal point may have been part of a later patent. LT PS Here are a couple of examples of large hunters, as you can see apparently old George was a pretty good talker to convince the judge that these were different enough not to infringe on each other. Well he did invent them . Now one other point Schrade contracted these knives to Remington and Case I would have to take mine out to see if they had patent dates and if they were the same or if by being other company any nuances necessitated patent changes . This factor may also have been involved.

autoknife · Post by **autoknife** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:32 am

Here's a mint example with a very rare original wrapper. Notice how "Nife" is spelled!

jonet143 · Post by **jonet143** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:40 am

cool, autoknife

Gr8Scout · Post by **Gr8Scout** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:26 am

Very nice and thank you!

orvet · Post by **orvet** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:51 pm

Great find Phil!

Great history lesson LT and everyone else! Thank you.

Nice wrapper autoknife. Welcome to AAPK.

Dale

autoknife · Post by **autoknife** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:10 pm

orvet wrote:Nice wrapper autoknife. Welcome to AAPK.

Dale

Thanks!