W.R. Case & Son

A place to discuss & share pictures of counterfeit knives. Please be sure to alert the AAPK community if you spot one. Also make sure to ask questions if you are not certain about the authenticity of a knife you are considering buying or selling. There are plenty of great people here willing to help.
Post Reply
Potechop
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:02 am
Location: Kentucky, Bluegrass

W.R. Case & Son

Post by Potechop »

What you guys think about this one. Listed on eBay now. Don’t know how to post the listing. First thing I noticed was the made in USA on file blade. Didn’t k ow case stamped USA before 1965.
Attachments
20E409EE-E49C-4781-A3F0-B2070E33DC56.jpeg
AD5AD0E5-9BB0-4B09-B63B-592C14C3C8F3.png
2672E8E9-4DFB-447E-8510-5C748050EB51.png
Potechop
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:02 am
Location: Kentucky, Bluegrass

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Potechop »

Sorry I didn’t post good pictures of the tang stamp
Attachments
3449E46D-71E6-46C0-8D6B-E633F0B09803.png
olderdogs1
Posts: 2538
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:48 pm

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by olderdogs1 »

Made for the military WW1, not a counterfeit, they are all stamped that way.

Tom
Gunsil
Posts: 2938
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:25 pm
Location: Lower Hudson River valley, N.Y.

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Gunsil »

WW1 navy knife, Case was one of several makers of these.
Potechop
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:02 am
Location: Kentucky, Bluegrass

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Potechop »

Good deal. First time I saw one. Hate I posted a knife I didn’t know anything about. I started collecting case in the 70s but I never got into anything before the xx . I learned something and I do all the time on this site.
56Dodgers
Posts: 39
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:57 am

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by 56Dodgers »

Why is there no darkness in the main blade stamp? ::undecided:: The nail nick sure is dark.

Pretty perfect shape for a utilitarian-military knife. Almost no wear. A rare bird indeed...

Compare to this one that was sold through AAPK - note the profile of the main blade tip. Was there more than one blade style?

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... tary-knife
User avatar
Waukonda
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:35 am

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Waukonda »

I realize that the question from the op has been answered, but I find it interesting that my W R Case WW1 Navy knife has a slight difference. There is no stamp on the file blade, and the "Made in USA" stamp is on the back of the main blade.
Attachments
20220421_201709.jpg
20220421_201619.jpg
20220421_201643.jpg
Ike
doglegg
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 21523
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:35 am
Location: Grand Prairie, Texas

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by doglegg »

Waukonda wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:21 am I realize that the question from the op has been answered, but I find it interesting that my W R Case WW1 Navy knife has a slight difference. There is no stamp on the file blade, and the "Made in USA" stamp is on the back of the main blade.
That is a fine knife Ike. Condition is good, bone is beautiful and wonderful old tang stamps. ::nod:: ::nod::
stockman
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 3922
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:19 pm

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by stockman »

Ike I sure like your knife.

Harold
User avatar
Waukonda
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 5202
Joined: Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:35 am

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Waukonda »

stockman wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:37 am Ike I sure like your knife.

Harold
Thank you, Floyd, and thank you, Harold. I really like that pattern, size, and the history behind these knives.
Ike
56Dodgers
Posts: 39
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:57 am

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by 56Dodgers »

Potechop wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:10 am Sorry I didn’t post good pictures of the tang stamp
Any thoughts on this specific master blade tang stamp?
ScoutKnives
Posts: 1561
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:58 pm
Location: Florida

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by ScoutKnives »

From what I can tell it looks restored , reprofiled main blade and incorrect bail . Not sure on the tang stamps but they may have been touched up as well .
Always looking for Mint pre war scout knives
User avatar
Mumbleypeg
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 14726
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:28 am
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Mumbleypeg »

I agree, the OP knife’s master blade has likely been re-profiled. Possibly due to the tip of the blade having been broken off. Stamps look suspicious to me. Those on Ike’s example are good - compare the two. I seem to recall the pattern having been made by another maker also? ::shrug::

Not specific to the OP knife only, but a conundrum with the W.R. CASE & SONS stamp is that most resources say it was used 1905-1914. The OP pattern is also attributed to being a WWI military knife. However, WWI did not start until 1914. So if this stamp was used until 1914 (and that the “Made in USA” stamp was used during WWI), but WWI didn’t start until 1914, either the stamp was likely used post-1914, the knife is not really military, or…………..?

The other question I have wondered about is, why the fingernail groomer manicure blade on a military knife? ::shrug::
Inquiring minds. ::facepalm:: :lol:

Ken
Member AKTI, TSRA, NRA.

If your religion requires that you hate someone, you need a new religion.

When the people fear their government, that is tyranny. When government fears the people, that is freedom.

https://www.akti.org/
doglegg
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 21523
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:35 am
Location: Grand Prairie, Texas

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by doglegg »

Ken, I have read somewhere that the fingernail file was pretty common on the old Navy knives as one would need it from handling the ropes. That they were hard on nails. But I'm no expert. ::shrug::
olderdogs1
Posts: 2538
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:48 pm

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by olderdogs1 »

Mumbleypeg wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:13 pm I agree, the OP knife’s master blade has likely been re-profiled. Possibly due to the tip of the blade having been broken off. Stamps look suspicious to me. Those on Ike’s example are good - compare the two. I seem to recall the pattern having been made by another maker also? ::shrug::

Not specific to the OP knife only, but a conundrum with the W.R. CASE & SONS stamp is that most resources say it was used 1905-1914. The OP pattern is also attributed to being a WWI military knife. However, WWI did not start until 1914. So if this stamp was used until 1914 (and that the “Made in USA” stamp was used during WWI), but WWI didn’t start until 1914, either the stamp was likely used post-1914, the knife is not really military, or…………..?

The other question I have wondered about is, why the fingernail groomer manicure blade on a military knife? ::shrug::
Inquiring minds. ::facepalm:: :lol:

The WW1 Navy Knives were not produced until 1917. Case had a contract to produce around 80,000 of them for around 39 cents each so yes the WR Case & Sons Stamp was used after 1914. On some knives. There are other examples of the stamp being used after 1914 as well. The Case pliers knife produced contracted to Valley Forge is another example of the stamp being used later. But all I have handled had the main blade shaped like the second knife posted. I have read that the file blade was placed on the knives because the finger nails were a source of infection in the military.

Tom

Ken
User avatar
Mumbleypeg
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 14726
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:28 am
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by Mumbleypeg »

Thanks for that information Floyd and Tom. Confirms what I have thought about the stamp, and makes sense regarding fingernails. I don't recall seeing a manicure blade on other military knives.

Ken
Member AKTI, TSRA, NRA.

If your religion requires that you hate someone, you need a new religion.

When the people fear their government, that is tyranny. When government fears the people, that is freedom.

https://www.akti.org/
User avatar
peanut740
Gold Tier
Gold Tier
Posts: 7889
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:32 pm
Location: Ohio, along the river
Contact:

Re: W.R. Case & Son

Post by peanut740 »

I have had these WWI navy knives by I think at last count 17 makers and maybe 18.They were all 3 1/4", 2 blade,rope and file.Bone handles and over sized bail.A nice knife to try to get all of them in good condition.
Roger
Post Reply

Return to “Counterfeit Watch”