Remington reproduction?

[Pad2]

Am I right to believe this is a modern day Remington reproduction by Camillus? What is the difference between “fake” and reproduction? Licensing? Intent? Just curious.

[knifeaholic]

It is a complete fake - not an authorized repro. Appears to me that it was made out of a Queen #51.

[Mumbleypeg]

Those stamps are horrible. Great example of a “cold stamp”. Note the mushy, not sharp/crisp look. Also, can’t recall ever seeing an old authentic Remington or a Camillus-made authorized reproduction Remington having Sambar stag covers.

Ken

[btrwtr]

Utica / Kutmaster used that "T" stamp on back tangs. Likley a Kutmaster blade.

[Pad2]

Oh my …l live and learn …. Learn a lot here. THANK YOU!

One for the scrap drawer.

[bestgear]

Oh my …l live and learn …. Learn a lot here. THANK YOU!

One for the scrap drawer.

Carry it and put it into duty, I'm sure it will serve you well despite it's checkered past

[Reverand]

We hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we do all know the feeling. There are knives being counterfeited every day, and it tarnishes the reputation of knife collecting.
Here are a couple of things to look for:

The choil on the main blade is upswept, especially noticeable when you compare it to the small blade. That happens when the counterfeiter ground off the original tang stamp to restamp it. The secondary blade was originally blank..
Also, the metal is "mounded up" around the stamp, showing that it was cold stamped.
A Remington knife will usually have an R+ model # stamped on the back of the main blade.
Lastly, if an old knife is too shiny, it has been buffed and polished. Sometimes that is done to make it sell easier (shiny sells!), but sometimes it is because the knife has been taken apart and they are trying to buff away the evidence.

As far as a reproductions, Remington sold their knife plant in 1936 I believe.
Since then the Remington company has commissioned their knives made by many different countries, both in the US and overseas. Those are licensed and paid for by Remington. So technically they are a genuine Remington knife, just made by someone else for Remington.

I hope some of this helps. That counterfeit is yours to do with as you want, but some guys drill a small hole through the tang to mark it and use the knife. Some people keep them to show other new collectors what to look out for. Some people destroy them. Whatever you choose, I am sorry that someone took advantage of you. As you handle more real old knives, you learn how to spot a lot of these fakes.
Have a great day!

[Pad2]

Thanks again to all …. I have had a “collection” of knives for a very long time … memory is not what it was and I have no recollection of how or when I acquired most of them. Just recently took them all back out and started going through them to catalog for my son … believe me the lessons I learn here will be passed along.
Pete

[CarMan]

Those stamps are horrible. Great example of a “cold stamp”. Note the mushy, not sharp/crisp look. Can’t recall ever seeing an old authentic Remington or a Camillus-made authorized reproduction Remington having Sambar stag covers.

Ken

Ken, those of us still trying to learn very much appreciate the good versus bad pictures. It’s easier to pick up with a picture over just an explanation.
Thank you sir,
John

[CarMan]

We hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we do all know the feeling. There are knives being counterfeited every day, and it tarnishes the reputation of knife collecting.
Here are a couple of things to look for:
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The choil on the main blade is upswept, especially noticeable when you compare it to the small blade. That happens when the counterfeiter ground off the original tang stamp to restamp it. The secondary blade was originally blank..
Also, the metal is "mounded up" around the stamp, showing that it was cold stamped.
A Remington knife will usually have an R+ model # stamped on the back of the main blade.
Lastly, if an old knife is too shiny, it has been buffed and polished. Sometimes that is done to make it sell easier (shiny sells!), but sometimes it is because the knife has been taken apart and they are trying to buff away the evidence.

As far as a reproductions, Remington sold their knife plant in 1936 I believe.
Since then the Remington company has commissioned their knives made by many different countries, both in the US and overseas. Those are licensed and paid for by Remington. So technically they are a genuine Remington knife, just made by someone else for Remington.

I hope some of this helps. That counterfeit is yours to do with as you want, but some guys drill a small hole through the tang to mark it and use the knife. Some people keep them to show other new collectors what to look out for. Some people destroy them. Whatever you choose, I am sorry that someone took advantage of you. As you handle more real old knives, you learn how to spot a lot of these fakes.
Have a great day!

As I said to Ken, thank you for the pictures it helps considerably.
John

[btrwtr]

It looks like a nice knife and the stag is very attractive but there is the fact that Remington never made a standard size trapper during their pre-1940 production years. Any such standard size trapper can't be an original Remington.

[OLDE CUTLER]

Drill holes thru that fake Remington tang stamp. That will denote that the knife is a fake for future owners, but will still allow use of it.

[Mumbleypeg]

Those stamps are horrible. Great example of a “cold stamp”. Note the mushy, not sharp/crisp look. Can’t recall ever seeing an old authentic Remington or a Camillus-made authorized reproduction Remington having Sambar stag covers.

Ken

Ken, those of us still trying to learn very much appreciate the good versus bad pictures. It’s easier to pick up with a picture over just an explanation.
Thank you sir,
John

You’re welcome. Wouldn’t it be great if all collectors were educated in how to detect fakes? Of course, that will never happen, but we can try! Everything I know about counterfeits was learned from someone willing to take the time to share their knowledge with me. I just wish there had been a place like AAPK fifty plus years ago, to more efficiently distribute the information. At least we can help a few to escape the counterfeiter’s grasp, and save their hard erased dollars for legitimate knives.

Ken

[Pad2]

As far as I got before the bit broke, but should do the trick?
Pete

[CarMan]

Those stamps are horrible. Great example of a “cold stamp”. Note the mushy, not sharp/crisp look. Can’t recall ever seeing an old authentic Remington or a Camillus-made authorized reproduction Remington having Sambar stag covers.

Ken

Ken, those of us still trying to learn very much appreciate the good versus bad pictures. It’s easier to pick up with a picture over just an explanation.
Thank you sir,
John

You’re welcome. Wouldn’t it be great if all collectors were educated in how to detect fakes? Of course, that will never happen, but we can try! Everything I know about counterfeits was learned from someone willing to take the time to share their knowledge with me. I just wish there had been a place like AAPK fifty plus years ago, to more efficiently distribute the information. At least we can help a few to escape the counterfeiter’s grasp, and save their hard erased dollars for legitimate knives.

Ken

I wish I had found AAPK years before I did. The knowledge here is incredible. I have seen some serious generosity & made a couple very good friends here.

[OLDE CUTLER]

As far as I got before the bit broke, but should do the trick?
Pete

A carbide bit will drill thru hard steel like butter, but that will do. File the ridge off to allow normal opening and closing.