Suspect Toothpic..ebay

[winst]

Metal looks new and jigging???? Now on ebay...the "FAKE" knife network...nice knife..looks great...but???

[bestgear]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/318174260959?_ ... R87v7Yi2Zw

Just 11 feedback .....that would be a big pass for me.

[knifeaholic]

Posted knife is 100%.....GARBAGE.

[LKSKNIVES]

The blade looks brand new to me.
Do they even do vertical jigging? Remember I am new at this. But I do like learning.
Steve

[Mumbleypeg]

I’ve heard that called “alligator jig”, which is seen on some fakes. I’ve seen some authentic jigging that might be described as “vertical”. That ain’t it! The jigging “gouges” on that one are way too wide.



Ken

[rea1eye]

I thought the stamp was way too high up.

Bob

[1967redrider]

Whoever made this wasn't even trying . . . where do I begin . . .

[bestgear]

where do I begin

gotta love the bubble wrap background - it raises some curiosity as none of his other knives for sale use that background

[Mumbleypeg]

That shield! Looks like it was made on a pantograph.

Ken

[Potechop]

You see a lot of those counterfeits in Kentucky. Pretty sure I met the guy years ago that made them. Did a lot of case 6380 pattern. Had enough knife parts to start a factory. Had a pile of Kutmaster stuff. Some of the blades look like they may have come from a factory that closed but all the Case blades had terrible stampes .Seems like he sold a lot of the knives he made to pawnshops. Saw fake 6380 not long ago in a pawnshop. Those knives going to be around for a long time and it’s sad probably a bunch are going to end up in a new collectors collection. The jigging on the bone is the first give away

[winst]

That shield! Looks like it was made on a pantograph.

Ken

Hay cowboy what is a pantograph?

[Mumbleypeg]

That shield! Looks like it was made on a pantograph.

Ken

Hay cowboy what is a pantograph?

A copying machine. The pantograph was invented back in the 17th century, and has been continuously improved upon since then. There are many different kinds and uses. For example in recent context the “auto pen” is a type of pantograph used to reproduce a signature. In the context of my prior post it’s used to create/engrave a copy of an original item (the Case shield).

From Wikipedia: “A pantograph is a mechanical linkage connected in a manner based on parallelograms so that the movement of one pen or stylus, in tracing an image, produces mimic movements recorded by a second pen. If a line drawing is traced by the first point, an identical, enlarged, or miniaturized copy will be drawn by a pen fixed to the other. Using the same principle, different kinds of pantographs are used for other forms of duplication in areas such as sculpting, minting, engraving, and milling.”

They are fairly common. Depending on what you want to use it for you can purchase one on eBay for under $100, up to $$ several thousand. My sister-in-law had one that came from a jewelry shop for sale in her antique shop for a few hundred dollars. Most jewelers who do engraving have one. With it the operator could reproduce (engrave) a tang stamp, a shield, etc. However an observant eye can usually detect the tell-tale signs where the laser or carving instrument started and stopped during the process. As opposed to a “stamped” version created at one strike into the metal, having no beginning or ending point.

Ken

Here is a drawing depicting a pantograph machine in operation. On the right is the human hand using the stylus to trace the item being copied. On the left is the duplicate copy being created.

[winst]

Thanks Ken for the great graphic and detailed demonstration....you must be a perfectionist

[Mumbleypeg]

Thanks Ken for the great graphic and detailed demonstration....you must be a perfectionist

A mind full of (mostly useless) trivia is always glad when asked for some of it. (sometimes when it’s not even requested, too.)

Ken