BOBBY PAOLANTONIO - May I Please Have Some Assistance

[jerryd6818]

Did Colonial make this knife? As you can see, the tang stamp has been sanded off so "reading the knife" is the only solution left.

The handle pin placement says Camillus to me but the short match-strike pull says someone else. I saw that pull someplace and a connection to Colonial was inferred. I figured you would be able to resolve the question for me. Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

[reddirtknives]

Why would anyone sand off any Brand name? It's obvious they didn't care who all knew about it... Loud and proud ...

[Shearer]

Jerry how long is the knife.
The name could have been removed if it was a second.( Schrade removed the name on seconds and latter put XX on them )Not saying it a Schrade

[jerryd6818]

Normal, 3-5/8" closed. I wasn't thinking Schrade because all the Schrade-Ulster-Imperial clone 863/63s I've seen have a plain pull.

[Cutty]

I don't remember ever seeing that particular camo scale design on any brand/knife?

I hope Bobby drops by and at least confirms wether or not it's a Colonial. That would be my un edumacated guess.

[jerryd6818]

I don't remember ever seeing that particular camo scale design on any brand/knife?

Neither have I. That's why I bought it. In the pictures it looks unused, uncarried, etc. I guess we'll see when it gets here. Monday or Tuesday would be my guess. No D.C. #

[313 Mike]

Interesting knife Jerry, I don't know doodly about squat, but it doesn't look very "Colonial-ish" to me...Not sure I've ever seen a Colonial whittler before actually, or any Colonial with a coping blade. Will be interesting to see what Bobby has to say....

[Miller Bro's]

Made in China.

[jerryd6818]

The seller was/is Kevin Pipes (who I assume knows something about knives but that's just an assumption since I don't know him or anything about him other than he is the owner/operator of SMKW.). The following is the description from the auction.

"Up for sale is a Camillus Camo Whittler knife.

This is a neat find from the Camillus factory buyout. The markings on the blades have been ground off. This is either a second or a prototype. This USA made Camillus knife features camo acrylic handles. The blades are stainless steel. This knife has brass liners and has nickel silver bolsters and pins. This knife measures 3 5/8" closed. This knife has never been used but has scuffed and dinged handles and bolsters. This knife does not have a box or paperwork."

[PigSticker]

Man is that one different and it does look like something out of the old SMKW catalogs from back in the late 80's

[jerryd6818]

It's a shame someone didn't have the foresight to save those catalogs. But, ya can't keep everything or you'll end up on the TV show Hoarders.

[jerryd6818]

Made in China.

The knife came in today's mail. I was willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt but actually I think it was made in Pakistan.

[Cutty]

well shucks Jerry

[Shearer]

Jerry sometimes on the hunt we are looking for a deer and come home with a rabbit.
Bad luck and send a good message to the seller.

[jerryd6818]

I sent the seller a message requesting a refund.

The knife was listed as a Camillus. It's not. As y'all know, I have a few Camillus #72s to compare to.
The clip secondary blade closes on top of the coping blade (every time) and has to be moved over to complete closing.
The clip secondary blade has at least 1/32" of play side to side when open.
I never mentioned possible country of origin because that's just speculation on my part (but I think I'm right)

[Shearer]

The seller was/is Kevin Pipes (who I assume knows something about knives but that's just an assumption since I don't know him or anything about him other than he is the owner/operator of SMKW.). The following is the description from the auction.

"Up for sale is a Camillus Camo Whittler knife.

This is a neat find from the Camillus factory buyout. The markings on the blades have been ground off. This is either a second or a prototype. This USA made Camillus knife features camo acrylic handles. The blades are stainless steel. This knife has brass liners and has nickel silver bolsters and pins. This knife measures 3 5/8" closed. This knife has never been used but has scuffed and dinged handles and bolsters. This knife does not have a box or paperwork."

This seller might be good at writing short fictional stories.

[Miller Bro's]

Made in China.

The knife came in today's mail. I was willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt but actually I think it was made in Pakistan.

It looks too good to be from Pakistan I still say China

[jerryd6818]

Made in China.

The knife came in today's mail. I was willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt but actually I think it was made in Pakistan.

It looks too good to be from Pakistan I still say China

You would change your mind if you had it in hand. Even the Pakistanis are getting better. Sorta.

[orvet]

I sent the seller a message requesting a refund.

Let us know how that goes Jerry.
I decided to stop doing business with the seller & SMKW after the sexual misconduct charges against his son.
I just don't want to do business with someone that would allow that to happen in his company & not fire the guy, son or not!

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... moky+pipes
and
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/dis ... 6/58842/12

[jerryd6818]

I received a reply at 6:06 this morning (7:06 their time). As follows:

Dear jerryd68,

You are welcome to send it back. It should have the return info in the box. Thanks

- mvpknife

She's boxed up, waiting on me to get off my dead a)) and go to the post office.

[Old Hunter]

Well, I sure learned something reading this thread; there is a discernible quality difference between "Made in China" and "Made in Pakistan" - who would have ever guessed!?!? OH

[jerryd6818]

Yes Colonel, there is a difference between China "quality" and Pakistan "quality". Pakistan "quality" is very slowly picking up but I don't think they are up to the old "quality" that used to come out of China. They just don't get it. It's what you get when you apply 1st Millenium skills and materials to 21st Century products.

The knife is in the mail system and scheduled for delivery on Monday June 24th. All the hoops have been jumped through and all the paperwork has been filled out as understood. I make it a habit to use the same packing materials and always package a return as close to exactly as received as is possible.

[PigSticker]

Bet that was a Frost knife

[jerryd6818]

Mmmm, I don't think so Sticker. I think it was just some made up brand name Pakistani special. One thing I'm sure of. It wasn't Camillus.


SMKW received the knife yesterday (Monday) and I just received a complete refund, including shipping both ways. Good customer service. I'm a happy camper.

[jerryd6818]

I was a happy camper but now I'm not. He has it listed on eBay again. Same malarkey about it being a Camillus purchased at the going out of business sale. It is not a Camillus. It was not made in the United States. After having the knife in hand I now firmly believe the knife was made in Pakistan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400517979437?ss ... 1366wt_681