Schrade Walden 1194

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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ea42 wrote:Grant, Oops, I meant to say Schrade-Walden to Schrade. I'll make to correction above to avoid confusion.

Imperial used the foldover tab for their jackmasters, etc, but they also used standard skeleton construction as well as the swinden method, which is how they made those American Eagle knives, as well as the Thomas Jefferson and Buffalo Bill knives.

As far as the invoices, I think it was a matter of accounting as to which ones they used. The particular example that I showed pertained to replacement knives that were sent out from Providence. Nick Fazzano was VP at Imperial, Julian Raper was production manager at the time. The inter-office letters were from Imperial in Providence, as was all of the paperwork I posted. Bob Ernst was from Ellenville.

Here are a few from the Patrick Henry knife, which I believe was the first in the series. You'll note that, as with all new projects, there were a host of initial problems. There are invoices to suppliers of material: Henry Evers made the tang stamps, Crown plastics did the delrin covers, Providence Emblem did shields. There's also the green production sheet that showed daily totals:
Thanks for the information ::handshake::
We all wished Imperial kept better record .It's like putting a jigsaw puzzle together with a few pieces missing.
I am glad you have some records to keep for the future.

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No problem Grant, have a great weekend!

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All I can say is "Wow!" An incredible amount of indisputable information from Eric, and involving significant labor. One does not just get all that posted in a couple of minutes. Thank you; thank you! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
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Great info Eric, thanks for posting it! ::tu::

I know there was a lot of interaction, sharing of production capacity, making of parts, etc between Imperial & Schrade, as you said they were the same company. I also know Camillus made a lot of parts & knives for Schrade and Imperial. What I was told by Tom Williams was there was very little made by Schrade that went to Camillus, it mostly flowed from Camillus to Schrade or Imperial. I have a number of Camillus S-cards detailing knives or parts made by Camillus for Schrade & Imperial. I think in some cases Schrade or Imperial may have provided parts for knives assembled by Camillus, as I seem to recall seeing notations on an S-card that blades on one knife was supplied by Schrade.

This may seem like much ado about nothing, but Camillus was unique in one respect, Camillus was not part of the Imperial Schrade Associated Companies but were solely owned by Albert Baer as of 1963. It wasn’t until 1983 that Albert bought the remaining stock of ISAC and it became a privately held corporation with Albert Baer as the major shareholder. I am not sure but he may have been the sole owner. Camillus was different in the respect that it was sort of Albert’s baby. He had started working there for Adolph Kastor in the 1920s, IIRC. He was the star salesman for Camillus and was responsible for landing the Sears and Roebuck account among others. He had purchased a lot of Camillus stock prior to leaving Camillus around 1940. Camillus was where Albert's career in the cutlery business really took wings and I think he had a great affinity for Camillus.

Although Albert Baer owned a lot of ISAC, he did not own it solely until 1983. I have a number of S-cards dated 1984 and later that shows Camillus produced a number of patterns for the Imperial Frontier line. This date was after Albert Baer owned ISAC. I know some of the Imperial Frontier line was produced in Ellenville and some in Providence also. All three companies produced parts of that line. It is at that point where we see a lot of sharing back and forth of the workload between Imperial, Schrade & Camillus. However in the 1970s that was not the case. From what I have been able to gather from my conversations with Tom Williams, Camillus seem to be a company that ISAC used for contract work, to make parts and some knives, but they were not a member ISAC, I think they were treated as a contractor not a member of the ISAC family.
I could be wrong on this, and am quite willing to be corrected, but based on what I learned from my conversations with Tom Williams Camillus was always treated as a separate entity from Imperial/Schrade. Tom also told me that it was not widely publicized that Albert Bare owned Camillus. Tom said it was kind of hush-hush, so much so that when Albert Baer was not referred by his name at Camillus but referred to as “Mr. B.”
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Well, I am afraid this thread is far afield from where it started a few pages back, but, oh well. Dale will remember these two. Herman Williams told me they were made by Imperial, but I thought they were made by Camillus, and I even think I saw an S card for one of them. Neither knife has an analogue in the 885, the 834 or the 897 UH knives. They are not the same even in the frame.
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orvet wrote:Great info Eric, thanks for posting it! ::tu::
I could be wrong on this, and am quite willing to be corrected, but based on what I learned from my conversations with Tom Williams Camillus was always treated as a separate entity from Imperial/Schrade. Tom also told me that it was not widely publicized that Albert Bare owned Camillus. Tom said it was kind of hush-hush, so much so that when Albert Baer was not referred by his name at Camillus but referred to as “Mr. B.”
Dale it was a practice if people who owned two seperate company kept it quite.
This allow the two seperate companys to quote on work.Also If you had a dispute with one company they could pick up work through the other company.
When quoting on work if one company had to much work it would put in a high quote and the other would put in a lower quote where they could still make a profit and look a reasonably price quote.
I worked in the hire industry and this happened all the time.

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Cal,
Here is the S-card for the SCC 898UH.
There is also one for the SCC 855UH as well.
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